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Any Other School Staff Going On Strike?

AndrewP said:
They haven't. I saw the letter they all sent.

They're ready and willing to work. My kids teachers are in zoom with them tomorrow.
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My school was fully open today. Some staff sent this letter, some did not. Every class was taught today either online or in person. I absolutely respect and stand by my colleagues who sent in this letter.
 

lawe toppa said:
Well mate it wasn't. I've strong views on teachers refusing to work, they are all a disgrace.
I have had to work throughout this with 70 plus others but I work for the private sector and have to get on with it as do many others not like these public sector teachers who seem to think it's ok to withdraw labour
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I sympathise and you are wanting to do do what’s right for your family. The counter is so are teachers.

Everyone has the right to refuse to work if unsafe and specifically SAGE say schools are currently unsafe.

Supermarkets, factories, offices etc... people have equal rights and if restrictions are applied properly can feasibly be safe. If not workers should challenge.

As far as I’m aware schools are pretty much the only thing, particularly primary, the Government admits is impossible to make safe. With the same large group for 7 hours a day, kids can’t understand distancing, and advised not to wear PPE as inappropriate with young kids. Can’t think of any other setting like that or that SAGE has specifically warned about
 
Gaz said:
SAGE, scientists and even some of the government advised schools should close, but Boris ignored them. They might not have always been right, but we don’t have much else to go on.

each individual has a choice, you included. to give an opposite view my kids school is (was) open as normal tomorrow with majority of teachers going in. Any teachers not in have already arranged remote work for kids
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Well I appreciate it's not all teachers but our Schools were closed today because some teachers backed by the unions gave refused to work.
You are entitled to your opinion mate as am I and as i say imagine if all key workers refused to work. In my opinion those that have refused to work should not be paid at the end of the month and should consider a new career. The affect these closures have on kids aswel as not being with other kids will.be felt for a long long time to come. As for lockdowns to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results is a sign of madness, they make no difference at al. People still travelling in and out of the country but the rest of us can't do nothing.
We used to live in a democracy but now we live in a dictatorship country and what's more astonishing is that loads of people can't see it
AndrewP said:
They haven't. I saw the letter they all sent.

They're ready and willing to work. My kids teachers are in zoom with them tomorrow.
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Wow...how lucky are your kids, getting zoom...so privileged!
Who is going to look after your children whike you work, unless you either don't work or on government backed furlough?
The head teacher that rang me must of deliberatly lied to me then
 
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lawe toppa said:
Wow...how lucky are your kids, getting zoom...so privileged!
Who is going to look after your children whike you work, unless you either don't work or on government backed furlough?
The head teacher that rang me must of deliberatly lied to me then
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You’re clearly cross and I appreciate where you’re coming from. You’ve been dealt a proper shit hand here.

In your individual case you should be cross with your headteacher. According to your own explanation both you and your partner are key workers and he can’t provide educational care for your children like he’s been asked to by the government. She/He also was unable to open the school today whilst lots of others may be using today as a grace period to set up online learning, he/she hasn’t made that clear to you.
 
Don'tListenToTheHat said:
For reference the letter is here...

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My school was fully open today. Some staff sent this letter, some did not. Every class was taught today either online or in person. I absolutely respect and stand by my colleagues who sent in this letter.
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How can anyone say they are not refusing to work, reading that letter?
They are saying precisely that they are exercising their right not to work,,,,parasites the lot of them!
Would love all other key workers to now do the same thing and see what unfolds...chaos!
 
lawe toppa said:
How can anyone say they are not refusing to work, reading that letter?
They are saying precisely that they are exercising their right not to work,,,,parasites the lot of them!
Would love all other key workers to now do the same thing and see what unfolds...chaos!
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If they have unions that support them in that then fair enough. SAGE advice is to close schools to get the R level below zero. In half an hour they’ll be doing just that anyway. I’d look at the last paragraph that says they can continue their duties from home where possible including online teaching.

Good head teachers will have protocol and systems in place for this eventuality already.
 
Don'tListenToTheHat said:
You’re clearly cross and I appreciate where you’re coming from. You’ve been dealt a proper shit hand here.

In your individual case you should be cross with your headteacher. According to your own explanation both you and your partner are key workers and he can’t provide educational care for your children like he’s been asked to by the government. She/He also was unable to open the school today whilst lots of others may be using today as a grace period to set up online learning, he/she hasn’t made that clear to you.
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The head teacher rang me at 9pm at night on a Sunday and was gutted, without him saying he allowed to having no staff to look after even key worker children, he was genuinely upset.
I'm not saying it's all teachers but those that have chosen this action I hope they are proud of themselves.
How many times have we seen teachers bleating on about how important education is to children, what a crock of ****
Don'tListenToTheHat said:
If they have unions that support them in that then fair enough. SAGE advice is to close schools to get the R level below zero. In half an hour they’ll be doing just that anyway. I’d look at the last paragraph that says they can continue their duties from home where possible including online teaching.

Good head teachers will have protocol and systems in place for this eventuality already.
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You can be the best head teacher there is but if you have no staff, what can you do??
As I say I hope and expect those that have signed this letter do not get a salary at the end of the month...maybe they can take unpaid leave or maybe apply for ssp.
AndrewP said:
There's isn't one.
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You sir are an absolute dullard or are you an ostrich??? 🤣
They have refused to work in that letter clear as day
 
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Don'tListenToTheHat said:
For reference the letter is here...

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My school was fully open today. Some staff sent this letter, some did not. Every class was taught today either online or in person. I absolutely respect and stand by my colleagues who sent in this letter.
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They were absolutely right and this will be confirmed by the rambling scarecrow in about 20 minutes.
 
lawe toppa said:
The head teacher rang me at 9pm at night on a Sunday and was gutted, without him saying he allowed to having no staff to look after even key worker children, he was genuinely upset.
I'm not saying it's all teachers but those that have chosen this action I hope they are proud of themselves.
How many times have we seen teachers bleating on about how important education is to children, what a crock of ****
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Teacher have been forced into making this late decision with this headteacher. He’s been forced into late decisions by the government who were told by SAGE that to get the R Level below 1 (which is sort of why they’re there) that closing schools was the only way to help them do that. The government had this advice on the 23rd December.

The government then proceeded to say that schools are safe and that schools in London had to close though because they weren’t safe.

You do see where this is all going right? I feel like I’ve explained this a few times already on this thread and I respect any teacher who handed in the letter and I’m also very appreciative that you’ve been let down numerous times on this. I just think pointing fingers at teachers is the wrong thing to do when planning ahead would’ve saved all of this. Teachers have families too and have a duty to protect there’s just as you have a duty to protect yours.

I could do this all night but I feel like I’m going in circles. Really feel for you as a parent as I feel for all the parents I serve in my community. Whatever happens next you better believe I’m going to be putting 100% effort into what I do because I believe in that and believe it’s my duty to serve my community. Hope you’d be able to see it from the other side but you’re clearly too angry to do that.
 
robbied1 said:
Simple as that?? Jimmy is dead?? Educate yourself before you make daft comments
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I don't mean Jimmy hill.
lawe toppa said:
Wow...how lucky are your kids, getting zoom...so privileged!
Who is going to look after your children whike you work, unless you either don't work or on government backed furlough?
The head teacher that rang me must of deliberatly lied to me then
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I'm not on furlough and have lots of work to do. So does the wife. It's very very inconvenient, but also absolutely the right thing to do.
lawe toppa said:
You sir are an absolute dullard or are you an ostrich??? 🤣
They have refused to work in that letter clear as day
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I think you forgot to read the whole letter.
 
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lawe toppa said:
How can anyone say they are not refusing to work, reading that letter?
They are saying precisely that they are exercising their right not to work,,,,parasites the lot of them!
Would love all other key workers to now do the same thing and see what unfolds...chaos!
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You are a Tory wet dream . Divide and conquer well and truly alive in this one

Guess you thought the miners were a disgrace for striking in the 80s?

You said yesterday that you didn't want to argue with people etc.. yet you've spent the last 5 pages calling all teachers a disgrace and that they shouldn't be paid etc.. haway man have a think about it. Your lasses situation sounds awful, sympathies for that, but the problem is with your employer and the government and the rules they have created / wormed their way around.

You make out that all teachers are selfish yet you want the schools to be open only because it suits you specifically

You go on and on about other key workers , but as I explained last night and as you ignored , it is totally irrelevant. .
Society can't function for 5 minutes without the NHS, police , supermarkets etc.. but it can function, just, with schools shut for 2 weeks. That's the point you simply refuse to understand, and why you find yourself keep repeating the same meaningless argument and why you keep getting ignored on it.

As in any situation like this, society and the working classes are stronger when united. The establishment hate it and that's why they seek first and foremost to have us fight between ourselves and blame each other. It's working a treat on you and you don't even realise it.

Together = Stronger.

Think about it, instead of just typing out the same response . Read what other people are saying and give yourself a chance to let it sink in
 
AndrewP said:
I don't mean Jimmy hill.

I'm not on furlough and have lots of work to do. So does the wife. It's very very inconvenient, but also absolutely the right thing to do.

I think you forgot to read the whole letter.
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I know you dont, still you are very naive
 
lawe toppa said:
So then Mr also angry what is the issue as to why lots of Schools were closed today
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Because the teachers were working from home and there wasnt enough staff to open them safely. Many preparing to deliver online education to try and stop the spread of Covid 19 in our communities. Others working rota's out to allow children of key workers and other kids to attend school.
lawe toppa said:
How can anyone say they are not refusing to work, reading that letter?
They are saying precisely that they are exercising their right not to work,,,,parasites the lot of them!
Would love all other key workers to now do the same thing and see what unfolds...chaos!
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No theyt are not f***ing parasites. Every f***ing one of them has worked through this bloody pandemic from day one.
 
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lawe toppa said:
How can anyone say they are not refusing to work, reading that letter?
They are saying precisely that they are exercising their right not to work,,,,parasites the lot of them!
Would love all other key workers to now do the same thing and see what unfolds...chaos!
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you need to calm down very quickly or the abuse you are dishing out is going to come back at you.

Other workplaces do not have to work where social distancing is impossible, where kids of reception age need nappies changing because their parents can’t be bothered to potty train them. Where kids need physically restrained otherwise they attack others, where they are spat on by kids, where they aren’t allowed to wear masks in a classroom because it disrupts the learning experience, where the ppe that is given to first aiders to use is shared and staff told they can’t have any more. Where it has been acknowledged that even the minimum tier 4 guideline of 1 m social distancing is not actually possible due to overcrowding.

And yes I am absolutely furious with attitudes like yours as my wife - a teacher -myself and my son have all had covid and had to isolate over Xmas. My wife despite having no previous ill health is now unable to walk up stairs without taking a rest and this is nearly 4 weeks after her case was confirmed. One of her colleagues has also just been taken to hospital and been put on a ventilator. From her ‘covid secure’ bubble of 64 pupils, there have been 15 confirmed cases of 4/5 year olds, and 5 of the staff.

Her headteacher has already said that they cannot safely reopen the reception unit even following the lax rules that were deemed appropriate for schools at the time they reopened.

Also, my wife spent the last lockdown working all day looking after children of key workers and educating them the best she could, and then came home and planned the online lessons, uploading videos till god knows what time, commenting on work and answering parents queries, basically doing more work than she has ever had to before.

She also sent the letter in saying that she will provide online learning and will attend for key workers.

So basically screw you and your toxic opinion. You have literally no idea what teachers have had to put up with since this pandemic started, often in the face of open hostility from people like you.
 
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monolithic baby said:
Because the teachers were working from home and there wasnt enough staff to open them safely. Many preparing to deliver online education to try and stop the spread of Covid 19 in our communities. Others working rota's out to allow children of key workers and other kids to attend school.

No theyt are not f***ing parasites. Every f***ing one of them has worked through this bloody pandemic from day one.
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The ones that have signed that letter are parasites. Imagine dr's and nurses refused to attend work but offered to plan etc from home
 
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