RAWA End of season Club/RAWA Meeting

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Can acessibility to be improved in Black Cats Bar and Quinnys? Black cats bar has raised areas with no ramps for wheelchairs, same as Quinnys. The only low tables are on raised areas. The tables on ground level are all high therefore useless for wheelchair users.

End up sitting with arms in air trying to eat something in Quinns. Also can the tables they removed from the bottom end of the Black Cats Bar at the end of the season be returned?
 
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foolzy said:
Can acessibility to be improved in Black Cats Bar and Quinnys? Black cats bar has raised areas with no ramps for wheelchairs, same as Quinnys. The only low tables are on raised areas. The tables on ground level are all high therefore useless for wheelchair users.

End up sitting with arms in air trying to eat something in Quinns. Also can the tables they removed from the bottom end of the Black Cats Bar at the end of the season be returned?
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Are the bars still open during the week like they used to be when they first opened?
 
dred said:
How would a couple of hundred Wimbledon fans sitting in the whole of the family zone improve the atmosphere. There are only a handful of clubs who bring a couple of thousand.
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Well done on picking out one example of the extreme and also not understanding what the word ‘almost’ means
 
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safccfas said:
Well done on picking out one example of the extreme and also not understanding what the word ‘most’ means
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how many times, this season, or last season, or the season before, would having the away fans downstairs improved the atmosphere? and by 'improve' i mean in a way beneficial to our team. give me 1 example. any home game over the last 3 seasons
 
tunstallhill said:
Depends what you class as 'atmosphere '. If you count it as a few hundred brentford fans singing at us about Adam Johnson as they knock the third in and half the home fans fuck off, then maybe your right.

I always come back to the same point, if we ever had a tiny modicum of success, we could sell out the ground with home fans regularly, and at that point, playing well, against top teams, having home fans on all sides of the pitch and the away fans out of sight with reap massive benefits. Why the fuck do people want to give the opposition an advantage? It's bad enough at home games when we go 1-0 down. Imagine the accrington players at 2-0 up at our place with thier fans within touching distance to give them that little bit of extra energy, or 3000 Portsmouth fans sat right by the side of the pitch the horrible bastardAsk fans of any other club if they had the choice to move the away end as far from the pitch as possible I bet 90% would snap your hand off. Yet we are asking the club to move them closer??
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The atmosphere at the SOL has been best when away fans where in south stand. Since they have moved upstairs it’s got worse. I’d say that’s a fact as well. However I do accept that that has coincided with some terrible football on the pitch.

tunstallhill said:
how many times, this season, or last season, or the season before, would having the away fans downstairs improved the atmosphere? and by 'improve' i mean in a way beneficial to our team. give me 1 example. any home game over the last 3 seasons
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I’d say every game based on sitting in SW corner for 20 years. Having that banter with away fans occurred in every game I’ve been at. In the past few season there have been games where the atmosphere has been non existent in the SWC.
Look as I said in my first post it’s about opinions. You and I have different opinions on this.
 
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For the last home game of the season, can we have a fan appreciation day?

My brothers Hockey team, the Colorado Avalanche, have a random draw of seat numbers on the final home game. Each number drawn gets a game worn jersey from one of the players. I think it's a great way to thank fans for their support at the end of the season (even if it was Season Cards Only)

To be fair, there's a lot we could take from American Sports marketing

Have games where you can buy a family ticket bundle (2 adults, 2 kids, 4 soft drinks for £50). Certain games could have bundles like 4 tickets, 4 beers for £80. Sell tickets for blocks of games at a slight discount
 
safccfas said:
The atmosphere at the SOL has been best when away fans where in south stand. Since they have moved upstairs it’s got worse. I’d say that’s a fact as well. However I do accept that that has coincided with some terrible football on the pitch.

I’d say every game based on sitting in SW corner for 20 years. Having that banter with away fans occurred in every game I’ve been at. In the past few season there have been games where the atmosphere has been non existent in the SWC.
Look as I said in my first post it’s about opinions. You and I have different opinions on this.
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I think the best spot for away fans IS the SWC. Away from TV cameras and easy access to the buses. It would also help the south stand become a true home end
 
safccfas said:
The atmosphere at the SOL has been best when away fans where in south stand. Since they have moved upstairs it’s got worse. I’d say that’s a fact as well. However I do accept that that has coincided with some terrible football on the pitch.




I’d say every game based on sitting in SW corner for 20 years. Having that banter with away fans occurred in every game I’ve been at. In the past few season there have been games where the atmosphere has been non existent in the SWC.
Look as I said in my first post it’s about opinions. You and I have different opinions on this.
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its not an opinion when you have used the phrase 'thats a fact'. i had a ST in the SWC from 2003 upto when the away fans got shifted then moved to the South Stand.

your argument only holds any water because the move has coincided with the worst phase in our clubs history.

the only 1 or 2 decent games we have had at home since the move, say mags at home a couple of times, everton, chelsea under fat sam, the away fans were upstairs, and the atmosphere was electric on all sides of the pitch. i go to support sunderland, first and foremost.

if you want to have banter with the away fans then go sit in the north upper corner when it reopens. i was in SWC with you and i remember for years thinking 'i wish our singing section was bigger' . we had a couple of thousand in the SWC totally flanked by the coorperates to one side and the away end to the other. often the away ends had more fans that the SWC so where is the home advantage? and as anyone on here will testify, the SWC noise didn't travel as well as we thought it did. there was endless threads back then about how we got outsung by the away fans pretty much any time they turned up in numbers. plus the away end could directly influence the action on the field.

bottom line is, we can make a better noise with 100% of the lower bowl being SAFC fans rather than 90% of it. all we need is to be play slightly decent on the pitch and the atmosphere will be return, and if we ever get up to being competitive and successful in the premier league, it will be better than ever - with the new Roker End flags and new identity in the club.

its very symbolic of the prevalent attitude of sunderland fans, utterly defeatist and backwards. always trying to detriment ourselves and roll over, have our bellies tickled, and hand the advantage to the opposition before a ball has even been kicked. utterly bizarre
 
Hull_Mackem said:
It means sell all or part of the stadium to raise short term funds and we then pay rent. Donald said in the podcast he is almost certain we won't do it.
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I do think all fans group should keep making it clear that this is not acceptable. The stadium gives us security and Bob Murray did a great job of sorting it at from what I understand was a good cost. We should not be using it as a finance opportunity. Full ownership of the ground gives us the best option of long term security.
 
Hull_Mackem said:
It means sell all or part of the stadium to raise short term funds and we then pay rent. Donald said in the podcast he is almost certain we won't do it.
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That's not leverage, that's sale and leaseback. Leverage is borrowing against the value of the ground. Given Coventry's recent problems, I doubt the EFL would permit any further sale and leaseback arrangements if at all possible.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
That's not leverage, that's sale and leaseback. Leverage is borrowing against the value of the ground. Given Coventry's recent problems, I doubt the EFL would permit any further sale and leaseback arrangements if at all possible.
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Isn't that why Gibson at Boro is going for Derby County, for selling the ground against EFL rules and then leasing it back at a peppercorn rent? Anyway, how you keeping?
 
molthemackem said:
Isn't that why Gibson at Boro is going for Derby County, for selling the ground against EFL rules and then leasing it back at a peppercorn rent? Anyway, how you keeping?
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Me, I'm fine. Still a bit weak in the right shoulder, which has caused an old rotator cuff problem to reappear, but have a full range of movement and stamina is improving all the time. The difference between Wembley this time and last was really noticeable.
 
safccfas said:
Well done on picking out one example of the extreme and also not understanding what the word ‘almost’ means
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Others bring only a few hundred.
 
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We need a massive beer garden and bars down by the banks of the Wear with hog roast vans and other specialised mobile eateries open from 9am on matchday.
 
dred said:
Others bring only a few hundred.
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A small number did. The average away attendance last season was something like 1500. If you stuck them in the lower bowl that would take up about 2000 seats with segregation. Our average home supporters attendance was over 30k. Using those averages that pretty much sells out the lower bowl ( i think lower bowl is 34k?).

At the end of the day some will agree and some won’t. I just genuinely believe if we moved them down it would improve atmosphere. When we start getting 44/48 k back through the door every home game by all means move them but I think the atmosphere suffers because of it.
 
safccfas said:
A small number did. The average away attendance last season was something like 1500. If you stuck them in the lower bowl that would take up about 2000 seats with segregation. Our average home supporters attendance was over 30k. Using those averages that pretty much sells out the lower bowl ( i think lower bowl is 34k?).

At the end of the day some will agree and some won’t. I just genuinely believe if we moved them down it would improve atmosphere. When we start getting 44/48 k back through the door every home game by all means move them but I think the atmosphere suffers because of it.
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Then we will disagree. It does not matter where you put them in the lower bowl fans will be moved from their seats that some will have probably sat in since the stadium opened.
Play good football, get back to winning ways and the lower bowl will soon fill up and create an atmosphere.
 
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