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[FishburnMackem]

I don't think so

The HMRC starting salary was £19,550, working hours anything between 8am and 10pm any day, and once WFH ended I'd have a 75-minute commute. It was entirely impossible, looking back, that I would have been able to manage it.

HMLR, by contrast, pays £22,353 (about 2k more than I had thought when I interviewed), I'll only be working on weekdays between 8am and 5pm, and is only a 30-minute commute after WFH. And it's 28.5 days' holiday plus bank holidays, which is more than I thought and a few more than HMRC were offering.

Looking back, I don't know why there was even a debate.

A lass I used to see works at the land registry, reckons its as laid back as you can get.

 

[matt228]

A lass I used to see works at the land registry, reckons its as laid back as you can get.

That's absolutely what I want right now. I'm going to be pretty busy outside of work with the council and other things, so I need something less stressful than what I have now.

 

[Blue_Monday]

DFE is the place to be if you want to work in the Civil Service , sounds like the HMRC of old basically , you get to work from home pretty much whenever you want on top of all the other perks. If I could be bo

But many there are on better deals than is being offered. They have full flexi. No weekend working and can wfh regardless.

I presume they can opt out of the offer like you could in DWP, basically keep all the current flexi arrangements and no weekend working but not getting the pay rise or the 2 days a week wfh.

Loads opted out in DWP then all they have done ever since is complain about not getting a pay rise.

 

[dangermows]

DFE is the place to be if you want to work in the Civil Service , sounds like the HMRC of old basically , you get to work from home pretty much whenever you want on top of all the other perks. If I could be bo

I presume they can opt out of the offer like you could in DWP, basically keep all the current flexi arrangements and no weekend working but not getting the pay rise or the 2 days a week wfh.

Loads opted out in DWP then all they have done ever since is complain about not getting a pay rise.

The way people are talking it sounds like it's whatever the majority vote for happens for all. (the wfh bit won't be an issue for most as many could wfh anyway). Could be wrong mind marra.

Looking at numbers at it seems HMRC pay a canny bit more than DWP these days. I used to think the SO wage at HMRC was low (middle management get much better paid in the private sector) but it's less at DWP. Dunno why but I always presumed it was pretty much the same across the two.

It's an exceptional offer for me mate with me being in Surge. We get all the benefits and aren't negatively impacted in any way as we aren't part of CSG.


Flexi is a god send mate. I use typically 5 or 6 days per year from banking time when on easy / interesting deployments and work flows.

You've scored there then mate, if it happens.

When I was there people were having two to three days off on flexi every month.

 

[gatopreto]

Those in civil service who are worried about WFH ending, wouldn't worry to much. Going forward there's gonna be a decent proportion of your working time WFH. DWP, where I am, are talking about a blended approach. That could be 3 weeks at home, 1 week in the office. Or 2 days at home, 3 days in the office. Or 1 week in the office, 1 at home.

HMRC staff with their new deal will be guaranteed a minimum of 2 days a week WFH and potentially more could be agreed locally.

Not sure about other departments but can't imagine their stance being massively different from the above.

 

[Blue_Monday]

The way people are talking it sounds like it's whatever the majority vote for happens for all. (the wfh bit won't be an issue for most as many could wfh anyway). Could be wrong mind marra.

Looking at numbers at it seems HMRC pay a canny bit more than DWP these days. I used to think the SO wage at HMRC was low (middle management get much better paid in the private sector) but it's less at DWP. Dunno why but I always presumed it was pretty much the same across the two.


You've scored there then mate, if it happens.

When I was there people were having two to three days off on flexi every month.

Not sure on the HMRC pay to be fair , I was actually under the impression it was less than DWP at least before this new deal, shows what I know about it.

 

[FishburnMackem]

DFE is the place to be if you want to work in the Civil Service , sounds like the HMRC of old basically , you get to work from home pretty much whenever you want on top of all the other perks. If I could be bo

I presume they can opt out of the offer like you could in DWP, basically keep all the current flexi arrangements and no weekend working but not getting the pay rise or the 2 days a week wfh.

Loads opted out in DWP then all they have done ever since is complain about not getting a pay rise.

I'm after a job in the DFE if possible like. Would need to be at EO/HEO grade though and I'm always put off by writing a 1250 word personal statement, do enough writing with my uni work .

 

[Blue_Monday]

Those in civil service who are worried about WFH ending, wouldn't worry to much. Going forward there's gonna be a decent proportion of your working time WFH. DWP, where I am, are talking about a blended approach. That could be 3 weeks at home, 1 week in the office. Or 2 days at home, 3 days in the office. Or 1 week in the office, 1 at home.

HMRC staff with their new deal will be guaranteed a minimum of 2 days a week WFH and potentially more could be agreed locally.

Not sure about other departments but can't imagine their stance being massively different from the above.

I don’t see how the blended approach will work in JobCentres and Service Centres , they will have the jc open again full time I reckon after this had ended with face to face appointments all day again, don’t see how that could work if people are at home , let’s not forget DWP only decided this January that staff should be at home almost a year into the pandemic , I reckon they will want it back to pre covid working much quicker than most places .

I'm after a job in the DFE if possible like. Would need to be at EO/HEO grade though and I'm always put off by writing a 1250 word personal statement, do enough writing with my uni work .

Same , always look at the DFE jobs and listen to people tell me how good they are to work for but never bother applying , just laziness really.

 

[FishburnMackem]

The way people are talking it sounds like it's whatever the majority vote for happens for all. (the wfh bit won't be an issue for most as many could wfh anyway). Could be wrong mind marra.

Looking at numbers at it seems HMRC pay a canny bit more than DWP these days. I used to think the SO wage at HMRC was low (middle management get much better paid in the private sector) but it's less at DWP. Dunno why but I always presumed it was pretty much the same across the two.


You've scored there then mate, if it happens.

When I was there people were having two to three days off on flexi every month.

Aye absolutely mate, I'll be voting for it. Leaving soon for the Home Office anyway but I'll get the pay rise from June 2020 - March 2021 back payed if it goes through so will be an extra wedge on my March pay which will be nice. Its spent already like .

On the point of Middle level magement pay.. Have to say its scarily low in the civil service IMHO. can't see me ever fighting to become an SO in the future unless it's on something like the fast stream which I have a final assessment centre for on the 17th!

I don’t see how the blended approach will work in JobCentres and Service Centres , they will have the jc open again full time I reckon after this had ended with face to face appointments all day again, don’t see how that could work if people are at home , let’s not forget DWP only decided this January that staff should be at home almost a year into the pandemic , I reckon they will want it back to pre covid working much quicker than most places .


Same , always look at the DFE jobs and listen to people tell me how good they are to work for but never bother applying , just laziness really.

The jobs always look dead interesting and are mostly policy jobs which is a great area to work in.. But like you say never bother applying as most of the time it's 1 or 2 positions and you get the feeling they're already marked for someone within the department.

 

[dangermows]

Not sure on the HMRC pay to be fair , I was actually under the impression it was less than DWP at least before this new deal, shows what I know about it.

Before this deal HO started at 30k and SO 37k.

Aye absolutely mate, I'll be voting for it. Leaving soon for the Home Office anyway but I'll get the pay rise from June 2020 - March 2021 back payed if it goes through so will be an extra wedge on my March pay which will be nice. Its spent already like .

On the point of Middle level magement pay.. Have to say its scarily low in the civil service IMHO. can't see me ever fighting to become an SO in the future unless it's on something like the fast stream which I have a final assessment centre for on the 17th!


The jobs always look dead interesting and are mostly policy jobs which is a great area to work in.. But like you say never bother applying as most of the time it's 1 or 2 positions and you get the feeling they're already marked for someone within the department.

When do you start new gig? Can you not hang on, get the payrise and then that will mean your new starting wage will be higher?

You're right, you can easily get another 10k on top if you get the equivalent of an SO role in the private sector. Never understood how/why they pay so low in comparison to what thry pay for lower grades.

I don’t see how the blended approach will work in JobCentres and Service Centres , they will have the jc open again full time I reckon after this had ended with face to face appointments all day again, don’t see how that could work if people are at home , let’s not forget DWP only decided this January that staff should be at home almost a year into the pandemic , I reckon they will want it back to pre covid working much quicker than most places .


Same , always look at the DFE jobs and listen to people tell me how good they are to work for but never bother applying , just laziness really.

Agreed. Looking at the numbers I reckon it'll mean others in other roles will WFH. I know people who have worked from home since the thing kicked off so must depend upon your role.

 

[Blue_Monday]

Before this deal HO started at 30k and SO 37k.


When do you start new gig? Can you not hang on, get the payrise and then that will mean your new starting wage will be higher?

You're right, you can easily get another 10k on top if you get the equivalent of an SO role in the private sector. Never understood how/why they pay so low in comparison to what thry pay for lower grades.


Agreed. Looking at the numbers I reckon it'll mean others in other roles will WFH. I know people who have worked from home since the thing kicked off so must depend upon your role.

Yep roles like decision maker, Fraud etc will get the blended working no doubt about it. Service Centres and JobCentres won’t.

 

[FishburnMackem]

Before this deal HO started at 30k and SO 37k.


When do you start new gig? Can you not hang on, get the payrise and then that will mean your new starting wage will be higher?

You're right, you can easily get another 10k on top if you get the equivalent of an SO role in the private sector. Never understood how/why they pay so low in comparison to what thry pay for lower grades.


Agreed. Looking at the numbers I reckon it'll mean others in other roles will WFH. I know people who have worked from home since the thing kicked off so must depend upon your role.

I'm expecting the start to be late March or early April. Not sure what you mean about holding on and making my new wage higher?

 

[babyimreadytoblow]

What sort of degrees would be good to do for the civil service. Like just in general, not for a specific role.

And would you expect this to help you get a job higher up in the pay band? Say £30k plus for example.

 

[turtleiris]

Aye them are the grades that have it.

6s and 7s get Time of in Lieu. Similar concept really, but taking off any built up time is at the managers discretion. Plus they encourage limiting any additional hours you can claim to travelling time.

Tbf I’ve never had an issue with it, but know some managers who don’t let their staff take it at all, and others who restrict it to a percentage of time built up. So work an extra 3 hours for whatever reason, can only claim a credit for 1.

This is where the business will have to cut its cloth now given 6s and 7s are getting Flexi under this offer. As you say, time off in lieu as it currently is isn't worth the paper it's written on as it's completely subjective based on business area and manager's steer and in the main the business gets a lot of free time out of people. Flexi basically means there is no debate about it now, the time is build and it must be taken. It's therefore a cracking deal for 7s and 6s.

 

[FishburnMackem]

What sort of degrees would be good to do for the civil service. Like just in general, not for a specific role.

And would you expect this to help you get a job higher up in the pay band? Say £30k plus for example.

Degrees don't typically help you get into the civil service unless you're going onto a specific area e.g science based.

On the other hand, they do help you become eligible to apply for the civil services flagship scheme which is the Fast Stream. Only graduates and current civil servants can apply and if I remember correctly it is the best graduate scheme in the UK (based on stonewall rankings). Therefore the competition is extremely high.

 

[Oli Wagkz]

Degrees don't typically help you get into the civil service unless you're going onto a specific area e.g science based.

On the other hand, they do help you become eligible to apply for the civil services flagship scheme which is the Fast Stream. Only graduates and current civil servants can apply and if I remember correctly it is the best graduate scheme in the UK (based on stonewall rankings). Therefore the competition is extremely high.

That's where I'm currently at. Would encourage anyone who is looking to join fresh(with a degree) or get on to apply. It is a long process mind.

 

[FishburnMackem]

That's where I'm currently at. Would encourage anyone who is looking to join fresh(with a degree) or get on to apply. It is a long process mind.

Cracking stuff that mate. It's essentially the best way to become a senior manager within a few years.

Ive got the assessment centre for the Hop & Finance in 2 weeks. Gutted as diplo was my first choice but I never made the cut!

 

[Nookie Bear]

This is where the business will have to cut its cloth now given 6s and 7s are getting Flexi under this offer. As you say, time off in lieu as it currently is isn't worth the paper it's written on as it's completely subjective based on business area and manager's steer and in the main the business gets a lot of free time out of people. Flexi basically means there is no debate about it now, the time is build and it must be taken. It's therefore a cracking deal for 7s and 6s.

It certainly is , I had 300 hrs of Toil built up at one stage last year from doing two jobs effectively and getting to use one day of it was like begging for scraps - the view is that overtime is part of the grade at least by my senior team. In the end I had a stroke and had a lot of time off and now on phased return to work - having a formal flexi scheme will stop this sort of thing happening finally

 

[Oli Wagkz]

Cracking stuff that mate. It's essentially the best way to become a senior manager within a few years.

Ive got the assessment centre for the Hop & Finance in 2 weeks. Gutted as diplo was my first choice but I never made the cut!

Nice one mate. Feel free to drop me a PM if you want any info/advice?

The diplomatic and HOP are two of the most competitive schemes.

 

[FishburnMackem]

Nice one mate. Feel free to drop me a PM if you want any info/advice?

The diplomatic and HOP are two of the most competitive schemes.

I will do mate, will carry on from the original conversation we had going. Just had my tax specialist results back and just missed out like, been put on a direct appointment list but I'll need tax qualifications to be eligible so I'll not be eligible anyway which is a bit of a kick in the teeth!

Yeah they are, I think HoP only 1% are successful so the competition is extremely high like. Will go again next year for Diplo regardless of if I am successful this year for the other two.