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Those that are working for the civil service did you have existing civil service experience elsewhere?

I've applied a few times but always seem to fall at the application stage but (without knowing everyone else's circumstances) I feel I'm more than qualified to at least get an interview but I've not had any luck so far :lol:
 


turtleiris said:
This is where the business will have to cut its cloth now given 6s and 7s are getting Flexi under this offer. As you say, time off in lieu as it currently is isn't worth the paper it's written on as it's completely subjective based on business area and manager's steer and in the main the business gets a lot of free time out of people. Flexi basically means there is no debate about it now, the time is build and it must be taken. It's therefore a cracking deal for 7s and 6s.
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Its a huge benefit for both staff and the business imo.

In the bit where I work, particularly in the major cities, we have a big problem retaining tax professionals with the pull of the Big 4. Meaning there’s a lot of churn in case teams, wasted cost of putting people through professional qualifications only for them to leave etc..

Of course, private sector pay more in these roles, but usually with the trade-off of longer expected hours etc. But part of the reason is that under the current system people are working well over and above their 37 hours anyway, and essentially losing a lot of those extra hours for no extra pay.

So I think guaranteed flexi (along with a pay increase of course) will be massive in encouraging competent people to stay, and maybe even making HMRC a more attractive proposition for externals.
 
Raich Carter said:
Those that are working for the civil service did you have existing civil service experience elsewhere?

I've applied a few times but always seem to fall at the application stage but (without knowing everyone else's circumstances) I feel I'm more than qualified to at least get an interview but I've not had any luck so far :lol:
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Are you doing behaviours / strengths in the application mate? Chances are you'll just need to figure out how to write the examples to suit the civil service. It's a rught fuck on.
Cappuccino Kid said:
Its a huge benefit for both staff and the business imo.

In the bit where I work, particularly in the major cities, we have a big problem retaining tax professionals with the pull of the Big 4. Meaning there’s a lot of churn in case teams, wasted cost of putting people through professional qualifications only for them to leave etc..

Of course, private sector pay more in these roles, but usually with the trade-off of longer expected hours etc. But part of the reason is that under the current system people are working well over and above their 37 hours anyway, and essentially losing a lot of those extra hours for no extra pay.

So I think guaranteed flexi (along with a pay increase of course) will be massive in encouraging competent people to stay, and maybe even making HMRC a more attractive proposition for externals.
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The big 4?
 
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FishburnMackem said:
Degrees don't typically help you get into the civil service unless you're going onto a specific area e.g science based.

On the other hand, they do help you become eligible to apply for the civil services flagship scheme which is the Fast Stream. Only graduates and current civil servants can apply and if I remember correctly it is the best graduate scheme in the UK (based on stonewall rankings). Therefore the competition is extremely high.
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Worked with plenty of fuckwits at benton with degrees ,,f***ing hopeless , mean little , try the fast stream program if you want to get on
 
FishburnMackem said:
I understand tax specialists within hmrc are on 45-55k, what are the salaries for such positions in the 4 mentioned companies?
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Depends on level. Also more flexibility on pay i think. I work with a few people who’ve come across on a pay rise, although they’d have been in the Newcastle office where I don’t think they really deal with the big risky MNE enquiry work.

In London there probably won’t be many working on high risk cases that are earning less than 100k. Partners will be earning a few hundred k basic, at least. Have to work f***ing hard, though - long hours and always on call. Been on calls before where people have been dialling in from their family holiday!
 
babyimreadytoblow said:
What sort of degrees would be good to do for the civil service. Like just in general, not for a specific role.

And would you expect this to help you get a job higher up in the pay band? Say £30k plus for example.
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Depends on where you want to go or do. I know in our little part the criteria for HO's and above is usually a degree in a relevant subject or 2 years experience, some specialised roles probably require it but if it's a foot in the door you're after then usually skills and experience will be enough. And again for progression, it doesn't seem to be a factor, until recently it was normally who could steal/write the better story and in a few cases who you knew.
 
FishburnMackem said:
I'm expecting the start to be late March or early April. Not sure what you mean about holding on and making my new wage higher?
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Your starting wage in OGD can depend upon your current salary when you make the move. For example you could be on 22k. A pay rise is due in April that takes you to 24k. If you move before the payrise your new starting salary might be lower than it will be in you waited til after April, as usually its a 10% increase in salary when you move or the start of the band of your new role, depending on which is higher.
 
dangermows said:
Your starting wage in OGD can depend upon your current salary when you make the move. For example you could be on 22k. A pay rise is due in April that takes you to 24k. If you move before the payrise your new starting salary might be lower than it will be in you waited til after April, as usually its a 10% increase in salary when you move or the start of the band of your new role, depending on which is higher.
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Ah I understand thanks.

So the position I'm moving into is a promotion, in this situation which salary would apply? Would it be my existing +10% if its higher or would it automatically be the promotion salary?
 
FishburnMackem said:
Surely the new department would just say giveower man, start now or don't at all? :lol:

Just worked it out, still better off leaving. Just home the HO annual leave calculation is as good as HMRC.
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Nah, not at all. I've done it. Last job I was in in the civil service two of our team did it. "look, I will lose out by quite a bit if I move now". It's no different to negotiating salaries in the private sector.

Edit. Not saying some wouldn't say move now or fuck off. It's def a valid discussion point though.

Are you saying your starting salary at new place is higher that what your new current salary with pay rise plus 10% is? In that case, aye, just move whenever.
 
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dangermows said:
Nah, not at all. I've done it. Last job I was in in the civil service two of our team did it. "look, I will lose out by quite a bit if I move now". It's no different to negotiating salaries in the private sector.

Edit. Not saying some wouldn't say move now or fuck off. It's def a valid discussion point though.

Are you saying your starting salary at new place is higher that what your new current salary with pay rise plus 10% is? In that case, aye, just move whenever.
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Never really been in a position to negotiate salaries in the private sector before, as most jobs I've done have always been standard CS / Salesy type roles.

Yes mate so the starting salary is a bit higher than what my pay rise +10% will be. Looking forward to getting my start date tbh as I can't wait to get onto something new.
 
FishburnMackem said:
Never really been in a position to negotiate salaries in the private sector before, as most jobs I've done have always been standard CS / Salesy type roles.

Yes mate so the starting salary is a bit higher than what my pay rise +10% will be. Looking forward to getting my start date tbh as I can't wait to get onto something new.
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Nice one. Good luck marra.
 
FishburnMackem said:
Are you doing behaviours / strengths in the application mate? Chances are you'll just need to figure out how to write the examples to suit the civil service. It's a rught fuck on.


The big 4?
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Yeah I think that could be where I fell down mate, It's the competency based questions.. maybe I'm not competent? :lol:
 

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