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I'm Spartacus said:
I read somewhere years ago that something like 3 out of 4 survivors of bridge jump suicide attempts instantly regretted their decision as soon as they went over. If that’s the case then you can assume only 25% of suicide victims would moan about being magically brought back, the rest would be f***ing elated.

It’s getting worse since all these cuts to mental health services, I could count on one hand the times we got called out to people threatening to jump annually back in the 90’s when I started, the crews at line rescue stations probably get one call every other shift to someone on the wrong side of the railings and at least one a day around Christmas, we had 3 In a few hours a couple of years back and one went through with it and succeeded :(

The tories are a set of f***ing c u n t s and I hope they burn in hell.
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It's not just cuts, society is changing and causing massive problems for us all, societal roles and clearly defined now, people get divorced much quicker, kids grow up without role models, we're all busy now and when we aren't we don't chill out we speak to people on Facebook and look at our phones.

There's much more to it then that but everything about modern life causes people to have mental health problems and strips them of coping skills and resilience.
 
When I was in a bad place a few years ago it was on my mind constantly. I'd be driving thinking if I jumped off that bridge I'd die. I'd go past a forest and think about hanging myself there. I'd see medication in shops and think about buying it. Literally a minute didn't go by a I didn't think of suicide. I wasn't sleeping, was constantly sweating getting heart palpatations etc. Was just a mess. In the end I attempted and failed. And only then I got the support needed to get better. The doctor I had was amazing too, I'll always be thankful to her.

It's not brave or selfish. Just at the time, for me, it seemed like my only escape.
 
MigsGoalKicks said:
When I was in a bad place a few years ago it was on my mind constantly. I'd be driving thinking if I jumped off that bridge I'd die. I'd go past a forest and think about hanging myself there. I'd see medication in shops and think about buying it. Literally a minute didn't go by a I didn't think of suicide. I wasn't sleeping, was constantly sweating getting heart palpatations etc. Was just a mess. In the end I attempted and failed. And only then I got the support needed to get better. The doctor I had was amazing too, I'll always be thankful to her.

It's not brave or selfish. Just at the time, for me, it seemed like my only escape.
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You had a lucky escape.
I wish you well and hope you make the most of your second chance at life.
 
Lewberry pie said:
It's not just cuts, society is changing and causing massive problems for us all, societal roles and clearly defined now, people get divorced much quicker, kids grow up without role models, we're all busy now and when we aren't we don't chill out we speak to people on Facebook and look at our phones.

There's much more to it then that but everything about modern life causes people to have mental health problems and strips them of coping skills and resilience.
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Definitely. The biggest risk to young men these days is suicide. We used to have defined roles and the world is changing. The pressure to live up to/perform to expectations increases by the generation.
 
GingerNick said:
I suspect we know the same lad then...still cant get my head round it to be honest

my brother in law killed himself not long after the birth of his daughter, parked his car on the hard shoulder and stepped in front of a lorry. ( didnt like him mind but it was still a shock)
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that, although really sad for the suicide victim, is a bit of a c unts trick. I know a wagon driver who had someone step in front of his wagon to end their life, but it absolutely destroyed his life. He became a nervous wreck, never drove another day. He had to go through the whole investigation, inquest and the subsequent publicity, and never really got over the tragedy. The innocent victim of a selfish suicide. Very sad all round.
 
dangermows said:
Selfish or brave?

I've always thought it was really brave but just heard a friend of the family has done it (and left behind two little uns) and I can see why some would class it as a selfish act now.
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Pointless opening a reasoned debate on here, the place is teeming with the terminally offended now.
 
Mainze said:
Pointless opening a reasoned debate on here, the place is teeming with the terminally offended now.
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Seemed that way at first, some ridiculous/pathetic replies, but been some good stuff posted since.

JonMc said:
Definitely. The biggest risk to young men these days is suicide. We used to have defined roles and the world is changing. The pressure to live up to/perform to expectations increases by the generation.
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84 every week apparently.
 
dangermows said:
Seemed that way at first, some ridiculous/pathetic replies, but been some good stuff posted since.



84 every week apparently.
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I used to volunteer for the Samaritans and I can definitely see both sides of the argument.....at the end your thought patterns lead you to believe that your family would be better off without you...and I do in many ways think it is brave because they know their is absolutely no going back once the deed but I've also spoken to mother's who are in tremendous grief after their teenage sons have hanged themselves....it's something you can only imagine in nightmares.......the big problem lies in the fact that boys are told not to open up and show emotion.....not to cry as its seen by many as weak........once we break down that barrier we will have less suicides.....as I kid I was told don't cry it's only for girls and puffs......I'm glad to say I blubber like a good un now but for many years couldn't open up......
 
HABA87 said:
Neither selfish or brave, but born of a chemical imbalance. Desperately sad for those left behind.

One of the lads on the periphery of our group tried to top himself. The fallout hasn't been pleasant but he's getting help last I heard.

A distant elderly relative of mine killed himself at least 25 years ago. I'd only learned about the cause of death relatively recently. He had almost no family to speak of poor bloke.
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I'm sorry to disagree, its not always a chemical imbalance. I know some people who have done lots of therapy and have still decided to die by suicide. For some people life is just too difficult.
 
martinlumley said:
that, although really sad for the suicide victim, is a bit of a c unts trick. I know a wagon driver who had someone step in front of his wagon to end their life, but it absolutely destroyed his life. He became a nervous wreck, never drove another day. He had to go through the whole investigation, inquest and the subsequent publicity, and never really got over the tragedy. The innocent victim of a selfish suicide. Very sad all round.
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When I was with LRT (as was), approx 50% of tube drivers who had someone jump in front of their train never drove another tube.

And please don't even think about how many bin bags it took to scoop up the remains - the folk having to clean up afterwards didn't have it easy either.
 
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Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
It's neither because the person is (in my opinion) not thinking in a rational way so is not making a 'conscious' decision. Sadly, it's the only way out for them and they probably don't consider others or 'think' that what they are doing is best for all.
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You might be very surprised at the amount of men and women who I have sat with who are very sound of mind and who are very consciously for a variety of reasons deciding that they want to die. Obviously my job is to help them choose life. I haven't lost anyone yet.
 
DubLass said:
You might be very surprised at the amount of men and women who I have sat with who are very sound of mind and who are very consciously for a variety of reasons deciding that they want to die. Obviously my job is to help them choose life. I haven't lost anyone yet.
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Well done. Are quite a proportion of those wanting to end their lives because of physical situations such as severe disabilities?
 
That stat regarding suicide when cocaine is in the system is alarming. Staggering infact, this uber trendy drug everyones on that people claim does no harm etc. :rolleyes:

jackynutmeg said:
Social media doesn't f***ing help...it promotes it.
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This. Everyones current mental health hysteria is actually having an adverse affect imo. For all Piers Morgan is a bell, he speaks a lot of common sense on the subject.
 
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Abu Dhabi Red and White said:
It's tragic that people feel that they don't have hope or value to themselves, their families/friends or to society.
Everyone has value and I'm glad that they can have hope restored by people like yourself.
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Not many people open up to friends and family as not many people know what to do. How can they talk about a suicide plan to someone they love without freaking them out. And who will understand their want to do it. Thankfully therapy works well for 99% of those who choose to give it a go. Sometimes just making a strong meaningful connection with someone who gets you and doesn't judge or try to make you feel guilty is enough to help a person see a glimmer of hope.
 
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DubLass said:
You might be very surprised at the amount of men and women who I have sat with who are very sound of mind and who are very consciously for a variety of reasons deciding that they want to die. Obviously my job is to help them choose life. I haven't lost anyone yet.
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I would think that quite a proportion don't commit suicide on a sudden impulse but will have considered it on a number of occasions. For some people, there may be a horrible trigger event that is the catalyst but for others, it will probably be the overload of a range of things.
 
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