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Are you winding me up the best football you have seen! People are blinded by the results v Chelsea and Everton , the football wasn’t very good
I wasn’t at the Chelsea game so that can’t be used in your argument, we were solid at the back and we knew the difference between kicking the ball long and when to play football. We learnt how to score goals and had a never say die attitude about us, so yeah best football I’ve seen us play.
 
You are forgetting the league we are in.

I'm not going to put that in bold , or capitals. But for fucks sake, read it and think.
The recruitment model should be the same principle regardless of the league we were in and any signing we have should compliment/add to what we already have. Griggs unfortunately did neither.
 
The recruitment model should be the same principle regardless of the league we were in and any signing we have should compliment/add to what we already have. Griggs unfortunately did neither.
Hindsight makes everyone clever.

Will Grigg would have been wanted by every single league one owner. We were the only one who could afford him. It's up to the manager to fit him in and get the best out of him. (Ross wanted him too, so any 'recruitment model' argument cant be applied here also).

I am genuinely gobsmacked by anyone who can say with a straight face that they are clever enough to have realised that will grigg wouldn't be utilised properly and therefore wouldn't be a successful signing. I call arrogance , and bullshit.
 
So, if you were the new lads, who would you ask to advise you?

SAF
Jose Mourinho
Sam Allardyce
Arsene Wenger

I would seek out anyone and everyone I could...not only PL but all the Leagues. Anyone who would be willing to talk to me. I’d ask them for names of people they were impressed with and then go seek them out...I wouldn’t limit myself to just Allardyce.
 
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Allardyce was excellent for us. Far from the dinosaur some people make out. Imagine what the club could do with the billionaires’ money and Big sams knowledge of sports science etc Imagine giving Big Sam half a million to spend in league one and he goes out and gets someone of Jan Kirchoffs quality and manages his injury problems so he’s playing most weeks. Imagine giving him just 1 mill more than we spent on Will Grigg and getting an athletic centre half who is fast and strong and clubs will offer us 18 million for just 6 months later. He has his faults Allardyce of course but he’s an ideal manager for Sunderland, one who could with the right backing maybe get us to mid table in the premier league. At that point if the new owners really really mean business and want to kick us on even higher yes, then by all means aim for a world class manager to try and get us into the premier league top 8 but that is a long way away.
 
Hindsight makes everyone clever.

Will Grigg would have been wanted by every single league one owner. We were the only one who could afford him. It's up to the manager to fit him in and get the best out of him. (Ross wanted him too, so any 'recruitment model' argument cant be applied here also).

I am genuinely gobsmacked by anyone who can say with a straight face that they are clever enough to have realised that will grigg wouldn't be utilised properly and therefore wouldn't be a successful signing. I call arrogance , and bullshit.
Well hindsight is indeed useful, it should help us all. Clearly not the owner who sanctioned the purchase, who knew he was buying a white elephant who would be useless had we been promoted and a drain on the club finances. Then again, if you not were planning to be here, who cares. As it happens, it has had a negative effect on our transfer policy this summer, then again, looking on the brightside, that might not be a bad thing.

Who knows if every League 1 Manager wanted Grigg, by that reckoning I would get your CV in to SAFC, you seem a perfect candidate for our DoF.
 
Hindsight makes everyone clever.

Will Grigg would have been wanted by every single league one owner. We were the only one who could afford him. It's up to the manager to fit him in and get the best out of him. (Ross wanted him too, so any 'recruitment model' argument cant be applied here also).

I am genuinely gobsmacked by anyone who can say with a straight face that they are clever enough to have realised that will grigg wouldn't be utilised properly and therefore wouldn't be a successful signing. I call arrogance , and bullshit.

Grigg was a signing made by a club with a zero ability to scout a player
Grigg was a lazy signing based on record rather than current form or what he would do to compliment the current team.

Yes correct, he had a good record, but Sunderland’s recruitment team is one of the problems we are currently in.

Every fan on here stated that to get out of this league we need more physicality and pace. EVERYONE.

We then went and signed leadbitter.

Another signing that sums up where we are at the moment.

The blame stops at the manager but there is more to the club than him. We need a real shake up at this level.
 
Grigg was a signing made by a club with a zero ability to scout a player
Grigg was a lazy signing based on record rather than current form or what he would do to compliment the current team.

Yes correct, he had a good record, but Sunderland’s recruitment team is one of the problems we are currently in.

Every fan on here stated that to get out of this league we need more physicality and pace. EVERYONE.

We then went and signed leadbitter.

Another signing that sums up where we are at the moment.

The blame stops at the manager but there is more to the club than him. We need a real shake up at this level.

Spot on. The laziness of our recruitment spans seasons
 
If the takeover goes through and we don't put in a bid for Maddison - or someone similar/better in January - then we will be pushing our luck to get near automatic promotion. He threaded an absolute beauty of a ball through the Peterborough defence for their third goal and chipped in one of his own from 30 yards out, and scored a penalty. For me, he's from the same book of tricks as Maguire, but he's 5 years younger and he makes thing happen on a regular basis. If we're not after Maddison, who I think most people believe would come here, then either we're chasing better players or we've got no ambition. Hopefully, it's the former.
 
I'll be honest, the way he left did leave a sour taste, but that second half of the season we weren't relegation form, we were top half form. Now we are where we are you'd have to be pragmatic; who is likely to be better, the vastly experienced Allardyce who did well here before and has managed England (albeit once), or Jack Ross who we all hope will become good but might not. For me, if we're broke as fuck, we go for someone like Ross and we hope. If we've got money and can afford it we go for someone more like Allardyce. He's obviously a PL standard manager, the only down side is the question marks over his character, but with the likes of Donald and Methven about maybe he couldn't pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I can definitely see why some wouldn't want him mind, but what a statement of intent it would be if we could attract him
Exactly go for someone like Allardyce, just not Allardyce.
 
Exactly go for someone like Allardyce, just not Allardyce.
He left to manage his country, arguably the biggest job in England. Why do people have such a problem with that? Do you think Roy Keane would have stayed at Sunderland if Man Utd wanted him as manager? Very much the same way Lampard left Derby for Chelsea. You can’t expect everyone in football to be as obsessed about Sunderland as us as fans
 
He left to manage his country, arguably the biggest job in England. Why do people have such a problem with that? Do you think Roy Keane would have stayed at Sunderland if Man Utd wanted him as manager? Very much the same way Lampard left Derby for Chelsea. You can’t expect everyone in football to be as obsessed about Sunderland as us as fans
I said in a previous post I had no problem with what he did, just how he did it. If there's any chance there's any truth that he is interested it's solely based on what he can gain financially from it not what he can do for the club, is too much to ask to want someone who wants to build something and have a vision or someone to ride the gravy train for as long as possible.
 
Are you winding me up the best football you have seen! People are blinded by the results v Chelsea and Everton , the football wasn’t very good

We lost 4 of our final 19 games under Allardyce and the form we had over that period would have seen us finish 9th that season.

Half a season in the Premier League and barely losing any games and you reckon the football wasn’t very good. Jesus.
 
Big Sam isn’t involved, it’s the sun end of story
Who broke the takeover story?....
Are you winding me up the best football you have seen! People are blinded by the results v Chelsea and Everton , the football wasn’t very good
Did you watch or go to the game yesterday? A large portion of support at the game were saying how utterly woeful it was to watch.
 
Not many I can think of. He's managed at almost every level of English football.
He clearly has the player and people management skills that many lack. Add to that his football knowledge and knowledge of people in the game puts him toward the top of the pile when it comes to helping decision makers. Would he come back...I don't know.
Just looked up and it appears he’s at the FA. Would be worth a conversation though. If that isn’t doable then see if you can talk to Brian Marwood - again a better bet than Allardyce.

I’m not wholly against Allardyce. It’s more that I don’t really think that they need the advice of a manager at this stage. They need to speak to people who build clubs from top to bottom. Allardyce doesn’t fit that bill.
My Bolton friend fan says he did at Bolton and they started cocking it up after he left.
 
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You would think that Allerdyce would have learned his lesson on shady dealings after his England experience...I’d have him back in a flash...
A leopard never changes man, he gets to the pinnacle of the game for a domestic manager and then did what he did, he's not going to change now or for us.
 
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