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Alright Rivs. Nowt to say about the rest of it? Allardyce doesn’t have the track record of building clubs. He’s not interested in youth development, isn’t one for analytics and is too cosy with agents. He’s a good manager - better than Ross - but that’s not what’s needed right now. You keep talking about how the new owners will be big thinkers who are in it for the long haul and won’t do things by halves. Not sure getting Allardyce as their primary advisor would be good evidence of that tbh.


I've said absolutely nothing about any of that mate, nothing at all.

Isn't one for analysis ... wtf :lol:
 
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Alright Rivs. Nowt to say about the rest of it? Allardyce doesn’t have the track record of building clubs. He’s not interested in youth development, isn’t one for analytics and is too cosy with agents. He’s a good manager - better than Ross - but that’s not what’s needed right now. You keep talking about how the new owners will be big thinkers who are in it for the long haul and won’t do things by halves. Not sure getting Allardyce as their primary advisor would be good evidence of that tbh.
He pioneered ananlytics
 
I’m pissed at a works do and have 23 pages to catch up on. I’ve seen Allardyce links on twitter.

What have I actually missed
 
Same to be honest, but I think it's fair to say if he took a manager or DOF role here right now, he wouldn't be in it for only a couple of years. He'd want premier league.
I don't think he'd take a DoF role, he'll want autonomy. Which to my mind would be the biggest negative of his reappointment as he'd most likely reject working with a DoF. But you're right, if he were to come back, he would be aiming for at lease one successful Premier League campaign to secure his legacy.
I’m pissed at a works do and have 23 pages to catch up on. I’ve seen Allardyce links on twitter.

What have I actually missed
Nothing a 280 character tweet couldn't catch you up on, rather than scrolling through 23 pages.
 
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Clearly an incorrect point of view.
Endorsing the recruitment team that is in place are we? We don't have a transfer strategy of any note, repeating mistakes of the past despite the owner saying all of this would change. Mind you, he often says one thing and then another happens.
We basically have(metaphorically speaking) a set of used car salesmen where a 6 year old car was the best one on display running a top level dealership with all of the challenges that brings. They are woefully unequipped.
 
Endorsing the recruitment team that is in place are we? We don't have a transfer strategy of any note, repeating mistakes of the past despite the owner saying all of this would change. Mind you, he often says one thing and then another happens.
We basically have(metaphorically speaking) a set of used car salesmen where a 6 year old car was the best one on display running a top level dealership with all of the challenges that brings. They are woefully unequipped.
This whole thing on here of slagging off the recruitment team seems very in right now. I refuse to be one of them sheep. Disagree with the signing of will grigg did you? I think the squad that was assembled last year should have easily got promoted.
 
This whole thing on here of slagging off the recruitment team seems very in right now. I refuse to be one of them sheep. Disagree with the signing of will grigg did you? I think the squad that was assembled last year should have easily got promoted.
I have been on an enforced holiday so I wouldn't be one of them, having said that, they would be right.

He absolutely does not and never has fitted in with how we look to play mind. I can think what I like, I am neither buying him or looking to fit him in. It smacked of a desperate purchase to get us promoted with absolutely no foresight at all. He is woeful at Championship level, so in theory we would have got promoted (at which point SD and CM would have run for the hills) with a striker completely redundant at that level. We then have a player on our books who is no use whatsoever and we would be unable to sell or loan him to the league he is actually any good in because nobody down there could afford him. That sounds to me to be exactly the type of mistake which was made previously.
 
I have been on an enforced holiday so I wouldn't be one of them, having said that, they would be right.

He absolutely does not and never has fitted in with how we look to play mind. I can think what I like, I am neither buying him or looking to fit him in. It smacked of a desperate purchase to get us promoted with absolutely no foresight at all. He is woeful at Championship level, so in theory we would have got promoted (at which point SD and CM would have run for the hills) with a striker completely redundant at that level. We then have a player on our books who is no use whatsoever and we would be unable to sell or loan him to the league he is actually any good in because nobody down there could afford him. That sounds to me to be exactly the type of mistake which was made previously.
Will Grigg was seen, rightly, as a superb signing in this league. I think the manager should take a huge portion of blame for his lack of goals. We dont create enough, we are shockingly negative, despite our resources.

The owners did actually participate heavily in assembling a squad which should have been promoted quite comfortably.

Let's not forget what I'm actually arguing against here. Some lad, a usually decent poster, said the owners know nothing about football. Arrogant, imo, and wrong.
 
He pioneered ananlytics
Long read here about that


I didn't know til I just looked but he did a canny job at Bolton didn't he? They were 9th in the Championship when he came in during October 1999 and he got them to the Semi's in both domestic cups and 6th place only to lose in the playoffs. In his first full season he got them promoted via the playoffs. He left Bolton in April 2007 when they were 5th at the time and this was after finishing 8th, 6th and 8th the 3 seasons before. He was offered the Man City job after Bolton but it was withdrawn with the takeover. Even when at the mags, he had 26 points after 21 games and they were in 14th, 9 points ahead of relegation but according Sam that's because they brought Keegan back so sacked him off.

I see he also got 22 points from the the last 13 games of the Crystal Palace season winning 7 of them. So like us, he turned them around to finish strong like did with us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Crystal_Palace_F.C._season
 
Allardyce is a great manager!
Sets his team up to be hard to score against and buys players , no matter what age and what price to make the difference in the final third ( turn 1 point into 3 )

I like him but he’s not suitable for us at all !
 
Will Grigg was seen, rightly, as a superb signing in this league. I think the manager should take a huge portion of blame for his lack of goals. We dont create enough, we are shockingly negative, despite our resources.

The owners did actually participate heavily in assembling a squad which should have been promoted quite comfortably.

Let's not forget what I'm actually arguing against here. Some lad, a usually decent poster, said the owners know nothing about football. Arrogant, imo, and wrong.
I knew Grigg would be a shit signing mind - so that’s one nil to me;)
 
Will Grigg was seen, rightly, as a superb signing in this league. I think the manager should take a huge portion of blame for his lack of goals. We dont create enough, we are shockingly negative, despite our resources.

The owners did actually participate heavily in assembling a squad which should have been promoted quite comfortably.

Let's not forget what I'm actually arguing against here. Some lad, a usually decent poster, said the owners know nothing about football. Arrogant, imo, and wrong.
What evidence is there to support the idea that they do have the know how about football? Grigg was a ridiculous signing, the team had no pace so we purchased somebody who actually made it worse.
 
What evidence is there to support the idea that they do have the know how about football? Grigg was a ridiculous signing, the team had no pace so we purchased somebody who actually made it worse.
Sorry, I cant take anyone seriously who is going to actually say that grigg wasnt a good signing at the time. Any 'recruitment team' in the world would have said that he would be a good signing.
 
Sorry, I cant take anyone seriously who is going to actually say that grigg wasnt a good signing at the time. Any 'recruitment team' in the world would have said that he would be a good signing.
He was a short sighted 'land grab' from the owners to get us promoted which would have allowed a quick flip of the club. As it stands he is a horrendously expensive mistake and completely at odds with the rhetoric that was being ploughed out from day one.

Any recruitment team in the world would say Jermaine Defoe would be a good signing, not Will Grigg. Ironically, it was the last lot who bought/swapped him, the reviled Congerton.
 
He was a short sighted 'land grab' from the owners to get us promoted which would have allowed a quick flip of the club. As it stands he is a horrendously expensive mistake and completely at odds with the rhetoric that was being ploughed out from day one.

Any recruitment team in the world would say Jermaine Defoe would be a good signing, not Will Grigg. Ironically, it was the last lot who bought/swapped him, the reviled Congerton.
You are forgetting the league we are in.

I'm not going to put that in bold , or capitals. But for fucks sake, read it and think.
 
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