The Breen Machine
Striker
Given that Root is coming back into the team, I think Denly must make way.
[First Test] England v West Indies - Southampton
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Given that Root is coming back into the team, I think Denly must make way.
Far Tibetan Mountain
Striker
Fair enough. He is still selected on the basis of his batting though and he has been a bit ropey with the bat for a while.
Probably Denly aye but its tight
people going way over the top for me like. Crawley and Burns remain on very similar averages.
I wouldn't be making many changes like, first game in 3 months
the obsession with the wicketkeeper continues to baffle me, blaming a number 7 batsman for no top order 100s, happens every game.
Buttler played nicely first innings with the tail
Chunky and some seem to think wicket keepers should average over 40, they don't
Nebula
Full Back
I’m generally a big fan of MH but he’s been getting a bit too ‘I told you so’ for me for a while now. Slightly grating on me but I’d sooner listen to him than Bishop, sure he’s a lovely fella but just don’t like his style.
You’re not going to like this mate but I didn’t see the need for Bess here and I still don’t - his valuable first innings runs and unlucky non lb today aside he should have sat this one out for me. I like him, especially with the bat, but unless it’s a dust bowl at Old Trafford, with Root coming back in, I think, for me, he misses out and Broad comes back in. Possibly Woakes for Wood and Root for Denly. Not too fussed what they do with the Buttler, runs in the first innings but poor otherwise. I’d be as happy to see him get another chance as I would seeing Foakes get a game.
Wouldnt be surprised to see us bounce back strongly at OT and even go on to win the series. It’s what we do.
Hope you enjoy your slight profits from today mate
Yeah quite possibly with his off spin. Spins not played a big role at all here though and was never likely to.
I like Bishop but can see where you're coming from re: style.
For UK viewers we mainly hear and see him doing limited overs and especially T20s. I associate his voice with crash bang wallop cricket so hearing him to do tests is a little weird.
Silly Point
Winger
Enjoyed his commentary in this Test, but his T20 stuff is awful.
Dexter
Striker
Top sides these days generally have wicketkeepers who average at least close to 40, except Australia who for some reason have massively struggled with keepers since Gilchrist.
The likes of De Kock, Sarfaraz, Watling, Dhoni and Mushfiqur all average north of 35, most closer to 40. There’s no reason someone with Buttler’s talent shouldn’t be somewhere up there either, but for whatever reason he just can’t reproduce his one day form into tests.
I don’t hold out much hope for him anymore, hopefully Bairstow can sort himself out and come back to take that number 7 spot back.
The Breen Machine
Striker
The wicket keeping point is completely understandable - Buttler averages 23 in the last 18 months (Spanning 14 tests), and Bairstow averages 24 in his last two years of test cricket (21 tests)
It's not about expecting someone to average 40 and score hundreds every other test, it's about having a keeper that can average more with the bat than Chris Woakes.
The Denly stuff isn't over the top either, there is no one else who should even be in consideration to make way for Root.
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wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
Totally agree I reckon before the test the plan was for Root to come in at no 4 replacing Crawley. But tough to justify that now.
As far as the top 7 go none of them are scoring enough 100s even Stokes and Root as the two quality batsmen are nowhere near clinical enough in converting decent starts into match defining innings. The rest have got to prove they are good enough at this level and not just good county players.
mackembhoy
Striker
That's not true he had a partnership of 3 with Bess
Scored his runs with Stokes. The biggest partnership of the first innings.
That Stokes/Crawley partnership in second innings was the most key for the end result. That goes on and we don't lose.
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SAFC11
Striker
Also if we are to not expect runs from our WK, pick the best person behind the stumps. That isn't butler
Archer was also poor with the new ball 1st innings with the most friendly conditions we got to bowl in
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mackembhoy
Striker
I think we had our team picked based on how the Rose bowl plays rather than conditions. Which was stupid.
Broad and Jimmy would have made inroads on that interrupted day 1.
But as we chose to bat, it was our batters that let us down. Inexperienced or not we got starts in both innings and didn't take them
smoker
Striker
I could understand persevering with a 21 year old averaging 29.5 in test cricket better than someone at the end of their career.
Yet they want to pick someone who averaged less than that in county cricket.
But people quote a career average of 35 like its not good enoigh
not sure what that is based on for a keeper at 7, its fine.
The Breen Machine
Striker
Because the said replacement was man of the series in his only test series, man of the match in his only ODI appearance and is widely regarded as a better gloveman.
I'd be happy with our keeper averaging 35, but Buttler and Bairstow in the last 2 years aren't close to it.
Yeah fair does
it gets far too much attention like, and usually gets brought up when our top order havent got 100s
I think we were spoilt for a while
just for perspective, Mark Boucher averaged 30
chopsfc007
Striker
Aye one of the top order who you also don't mind getting 30as well
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
People talking about the keeping position being between Butter, Bairstow and Foakes but what about Bracey.
The selectors have been quick to promote him through the development squads. I was listeningto TMS on the first day when there was no play and Simon Mann who is not into hype and spin like some of these commentators was saying how much he had impressed during the training period and warm up match both on and off the pitch.
The selectors have been quick to promote him through the development squads. I was listeningto TMS on the first day when there was no play and Simon Mann who is not into hype and spin like some of these commentators was saying how much he had impressed during the training period and warm up match both on and off the pitch.
The Breen Machine
Striker
Matt Prior, our best keeper batsman of the last 15 years only managed 7 hundreds, so we need to put things into perspective and not expect Gilchrist-esque performances from our keepers. The failures of Bairstow and Buttler however have been all too frequent and similar in recent times so fresh face is the way forward for me.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Its always a difficult one and understand some of the arguments.
But on the other side of the coin if Bairstow batted 7 is their really a better number 7 than him in county cricket at the moment I really don’t think there is.
