Disney have ruined STAR WARS

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PTR said:
Nice little bump, especially since the last post was Xmas day 2017!, but people are finally seeing my point of view on this.
The prequels were part of the story, they added content, they explained things. They were what they needed to be for the story to make sense - whereas the new ones were what they wanted to make, with the story shoe-horned in, in a totally shit way

uk.news.yahoo.com

Sorry, but 'The Phantom Menace' is better than any 'Star Wars' movie of the last decade

While Disney's new trilogy, and spin-offs like "Rogue One" have great moments in them, "The Phantom Menace" is the better "Star Wars" movie.
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" The flaws in Disney's movies are not just creases, they were deep-rooted issues that undermined "Star Wars" as a whole. From Palpatine's return to Finn's non-existent character arc to Rey's heritage and her sudden force healing ability, plus the series' betrayal of Luke Skywalker ... nothing felt cohesive, unlike the thoughtful, coherent and deliberate expansion of the universe that "The Phantom Menace" achieved. "

Let the arguments commence, again :lol:
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Recently re-watched the prequel trilogy (I intend to watch the lot in chronological order but haven't gotten any further yet). Phantom probably actually looks the best of the three, because quite a lot of it was at least filmed on location instead of in front of green screen. The cartoony backgrounds of II and III do rankle, and look worse as time goes on.
 
MattyM 09/109 said:
If you take Jar Binks out of the phantom menace it isnt *that* bad.

In fact jar-jar is symptomatic of all of the problems with the entire prequel trilogy. The films have an entirely different target audience to their story. They are effectively about a little lad growing up and becoming more and more dis-enamored with the jedi order as the order find themselves at war with the sith and the separatists for his entire early life. He's a little lad on the front lines of every major engagement then a young man who gains so much power so rapidly he can exert his will on these battlefields and because this constant struggle is all he has known, because he was never trained in what the jedi order is actually meant to be far beyond a military command structure, he cant understand why the only people that don't give him respect for his combat prowess are the jedi themselves- he cant see the fear they feel at what they are being forced to do and why they fear him as the epitome of that action. There's a slow descent into horror and madness story going on here akin to general Kurtz from apocalypse now. There's a really good subtext there that open up how palpatine was destroying the order well before order 66 by forcing them to react and respond in a way they just werent designed for.

The problem is its a kids film. You cant show that, so there's the odd little nod and the off camera slaughter of a whole village then some kids but even if hayden christensen could deliver the required brando-esque villainy (and lucas could write it) they couldnt put it in a kids film anyway. So the you have these 3 films that are intrinsically about something that happens entirely off camera.

All they really have is the set pieces (the darth maul fight, the geonosis battle and fight with Darth Dracula, the escape from the crashing ship over Coruscant are all good) but with an ultimately completely unsatisfying experience as they had to leave out the actual story and try to ram in a romance that, had they used Natalie Portman at all and had her slowly see skywalker falling into madness and then actually betray him could have been interesting and add something rather than jamming it in in a single scene like she hasnt noticed shits going downhill for the past few years, neither the actor or writer had any hope of delivering. Apart from anything else the jedi just look like idiots.
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This is a great post. I'd never thought about it that way but you're right. There's a much better 'adult' film in there (not that kind)
 
Mackem Al said:
Yeah, at the time TPM came out it was derided because it was held up and compared against the original trilogy. However, this new Sequel trilogy make it look oscar winning. These 3 new films are some of the worst i've ever seen. Letting that pug-headed prat Rian Johnson do the middle film was a catastrophic mistake. However, i have to say whilst Disney have completely cocked up the sequels trilogy i think that Rogue One and The Mandalorian are absolutely tremendous. I love them.
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I actually think Johnson didn't do a bad job. Abrams is to blame for the Palpatine shite and Rey's background - which were the worst aspects for me. My general point with the sequel trilogy is that they shouldn't have focussed on the old characters so much. Han Solo was basically the star of the first one. They could have used them as sage advisors to have one scene in the movie where they impart some particular wisdom or insight to the new heroes but they were so central to it, it stifled the space for the new characters to grow
 
woodlebert said:
I actually think Johnson didn't do a bad job. Abrams is to blame for the Palpatine shite and Rey's background - which were the worst aspects for me. My general point with the sequel trilogy is that they shouldn't have focussed on the old characters so much. Han Solo was basically the star of the first one. They could have used them as sage advisors to have one scene in the movie where they impart some particular wisdom or insight to the new heroes but they were so central to it, it stifled the space for the new characters to grow
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That's exactly what they were. Rey was just utter shit. And Johnson made Luke a cranky awld titsucker - quite literally. Finn was given far too much screen time for someone that turned out to be a nothing character - not to mention his chubby little Asian marra to fill the quota.
 
chriswallace85 said:
That's exactly what they were. Rey was just utter shit. And Johnson made Luke a cranky awld titsucker - quite literally. Finn was given far too much screen time for someone that turned out to be a nothing character - not to mention his chubby little Asian marra to fill the quota.
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I felt there was meant to be a storyline where he "discovered" he was force sensitive but it got ditched. There was real inconsistency across the three films with things like that and Rey's lineage. Palpatine being behind the whole thing was a terrible idea and undermined Anakin's redemption storyline

They weren't. Han Solo was a star in the first film, Luke was central to the second, Leia (less so for obvious reason) in the second and third. They should have been treated with one scene in a film or something, not the central characters they were. It just meant we rehashed old characters and - as you've said in your post - were introduced to new characters who then had nothing to do
 
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