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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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genewolf said:
Agreed Putin doesn't want just that. But that's where you'd expect a compromise might be possible. I hope there is a way to de-escalate peacefully.
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It’ll be interesting to see if anything else comes out about the talks today, see if there’s any hope at all of compromise…it’s not looking hopeful
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
should we (the west) refuse nations entry into nato on the grounds tht third parties may not like it? Particularly when those third parties are the ones the applicants feel under threat from
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Russia want's Ukrainian neutrality had it taken this stance then arguably this conflict doesn't happen. It's also one of the conditions reported two days ago before the peace talks today.

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southstander said:
If they want to join we should let them in surely? (assuming they can pass the normal entry criteria).

Stability is good. Invading neighbouring countries because they are a bit weak is bad. Ask post-Putin Russia to join as well.
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Wanting to join NATO is one thing for the benefits, but don't be ignorant to the fact this is in line with American foreign policy and increasing the sphere of influence. It's suffocating Russia in a way and bringing more and more military closer and closer to its border. It's as if were neighbours and we share a fence and every six months I'm moving it 4 inches into your side.

DoctorMick said:
This is just whataboutary, nato expanding doesn’t justify this invasion neither does the wests appalling record of starting conflict.
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Maybe so, but I can see a valid argument as to why this conflict has been brewing and inevitably started. That doesn't right it's right or just but the sheer hypocrisy of views is staggering.

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Hugh Gains said:
If you can't see the geopolitical implications of NATO from a Russian perspective I can't help you.
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I can see it fine. I was in university studying politics and Russian language for part of that period.

The problem is that their position is abusive and unjustifiable morally. Go to Talllinn and ask the Estonians how much respect they have for the “Russian perspective” or desire to be part of the Russian sphere of influence.
 
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HarrogateMackem said:
Look i'm no expert, but is that a good idea? They're clearly weak and on the back foot politically and economically now (maybe militarily too?). Does Europe seemingly humiliating them and attacking them really achieve anything? Sure, call for the end of the conflict, for peace etc. But we need to also leave some way (however hard it is) for Russia/ Putin to back down if they want/ need to. We only have to look at modern European history to see examples of that. Stamping their face into the ground will only tighten the Russian resolve.
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Nah. Johnson was right. It’s important that Putin doesn’t just fail, but is seen to fail.

There have to be serious and lasting repercussions for him and in that regard, it’s right that the entire international community is rounding on him.

Far too much “oh we mustn’t upset Russia” going on, for me. That’s the weak as p*ss attitude that’s emboldened him over the last ten years.
 
Charmless Man said:
Kept the largest and most diverse country together by what means?

I’ll give you a clue… by oppressing those with opposing views through using methods ranging from incarceration to murder.

Much good. Such leadership.
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Yes, yes. Yes, we know that. What’s your thoughts on the fact quite a lot of Russians thought he was doing a good job a while back?
 
Good that the Russian GP has been cancelled, Russian sides being banned from the UEFA Cup and Champions League final as well as the Champions League final being moved to Paris.

But I think what would really do harm to that global pariah is if the IOC strip every ROC athlete of their medals won at the Winter Olympics in Beijing earlier this month.
 
Charmless Man said:
Kept the largest and most diverse country together by what means?

I’ll give you a clue… by oppressing those with opposing views through using methods ranging from incarceration to murder.

Much good. Such leadership.
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And if they flee abroad there's always the GRU and plutonium or nerve agents.
 
At least this thread must've got a few out of the politics and coronavirus forums, obviously by the top thread on the page some are just as numb as ever.
Well done. 👍
 
Mackem Mad said:
Felgenhauer is a nutter in the Strangelove/Gwythian Prins class. Mad as a f***ing hatter.
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thats what i was more interested to know... seems random the way this bomb the door step of sunderland is thrown around by him, trying to figure out if its a real idea in russia or his mad theory.
 
Hugh Gains said:
Russia want's Ukrainian neutrality had it taken this stance then arguably this conflict doesn't happen. It's also one of the conditions reported two days ago before the peace talks today.

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Wanting to join NATO is one thing for the benefits, but don't be ignorant to the fact this is in line with American foreign policy and increasing the sphere of influence. It's suffocating Russia in a way and bringing more and more military closer and closer to its border. It's as if were neighbours and we share a fence and every six months I'm moving it 4 inches into your side.



Maybe so, but I can see a valid argument as to why this conflict has been brewing and inevitably started. That doesn't right it's right or just but the sheer hypocrisy of views is staggering.

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Do you think Russia will still once Ukraine to be neutral once they've occupied it?
 
humbug said:
it's horrific.
i think we sometimes forget how lucky we are to live where we do and enjoy all the trappings of a peaceful nation.
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Yup I'm proud and lucky to live in England, it's home and i generally feel pretty safe but this stuff is scaring me.
Let's hope peace can be reached soon, if not let's hope the conflict can be brought to an end without Putin mashing the red button.
 
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