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That would be a massive helpThese hospitalisations and deaths, wonder how many are unvaccinated? We need to start knowing these stats from now on.
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That would be a massive helpThese hospitalisations and deaths, wonder how many are unvaccinated? We need to start knowing these stats from now on.
That may be so, but considering it takes 12 weeks to get both then another 3 weeks for full protection, it's not fair that we all have to wait another 15 weeks for things to Start opening up
I think they could be doing a hell of a lot more. Unless they are planning the 'if you haven't taken up the offer then fuck ya' approach, they really need to be doing more to convince people to get, if we are continuing with restrictions simply because not enough of the country is protected
Even that Christina pagal suggested the other day that Sages projections were too pessimistic, and shes been massively pessimistic during this
And if not enough get vaccinated....?
Opening gets delayed.
Of course BHN will be on here creaming himself for being proved correct when in fact hes been completely blown out & everyone else has been proved correct.
Ultimately the vaccines are effective, but they're only truely effective once vast majority take it. He's just trying to carry out some weird self fulfilling prophecy
I think a single dose was more effective against earlier variants, so at the time it was a good strategy. This was also recommended by the JCVI
Another thing I've seen suggested is that had people not been vaccinated in age order & was done more randomly then current spread would have been lower.
That is concerning. Hopefully the message that it is now mostly younger people filling up the covid beds, it will push more to just get sorted.Just from my small pool of people I have asked in real life, there is loads of under 30s not taking it. I've asked maybes 10-15 of the lads at work and probs half have said they won't. I reckon a few of them secretly will.
Does seem to be an undercurrent of attitude that's it's not 'cool' to take it
Aye looking shite compared to the Europeans certainly has the potential to twist their armsLosing the final would be a huge embarrassment to the Govt. They should have let it go ahead with full capacity really
Exactly this - once us vaxxers start to reap the freedoms ( and we should ) - the refuseniks might have a rethink.Once other countries start saying theyll only allow in the vaccinated, theyll sharp change their minds
youre actually claiming ill "cream" myself if we dont open up
Embarrassing mate
He cant make his mind up that Ferguson
New lockdown curbs ‘not impossible’ during third wave, advisers warn
Worst-case scenario would see daily deaths from virus similar to winter peak, warns Prof Neil Fergusonwww.independent.co.uk
Hopefully the message that it is now mostly younger people filling up the covid beds, it will push more to just get sorted.
…and if he’s pessimistic we’re fine?If Ferguson is optimistic then we're knackered
Yup, as a rule of thumb, I tend to believe the opposite to whatever he says…and if he’s pessimistic we’re fine?
It is hard to say. The news articles I have read have been saying this, but you almost need to read the small print on some.is that the message though?
i read my fair share on the subject and i'm not really picking that up as the message. it rarely gets mentioned that its the unvaccinated that are getting seriously ill, if that is even the case?
as far as i'm aware, the public perception was always that its older and vulnerable people who are at risk of serious illness and death, and that younger, healthier people weren't ever really at a great risk even if they caught it.
so now we have a prevailing attitude with young people that they dont really need to get vaccinated.
it almost feels like the government are doing this on purpose. why not just tell us straight up what percentage of those in hospital are those with 1 jab, 2 jabs, 3 weeks after the 2nd jab etc..
if the vaccine works then this will surely be all the message needs to be to encourage those in two minds to go and get it
Having said that, they interviewed an NHS consultant on BBC News 24 on Monday morning and asked him what the situation was actually like and he said " We are at breaking point". When it was pointed out to him that there were dozens and dozens of NHS hospitals without a single covid patient in them, he still said that they were at breaking point. This interview was dropped from the rolling news loop they have on there.Even the more impartial BBC are very selective in what they publish. I remember the build up one morning where someone like Sainsburys were going to publish their annual accounts, and it was going to be bad
Having said that, they interviewed an NHS consultant on BBC News 24 on Monday morning and asked him what the situation was actually like and he said " We are at breaking point". When it was pointed out to him that there were dozens and dozens of NHS hospitals without a single covid patient in them, he still said that they were at breaking point. This interview was dropped from the rolling news loop they have on there.
Just to show a little contrast. But your'e right about the Beeb
I think there is also the element of other agendas there too, which muddy the water.Having said that, they interviewed an NHS consultant on BBC News 24 on Monday morning and asked him what the situation was actually like and he said " We are at breaking point". When it was pointed out to him that there were dozens and dozens of NHS hospitals without a single covid patient in them, he still said that they were at breaking point. This interview was dropped from the rolling news loop they have on there.
Just to show a little contrast. But your'e right about the Beeb
You need to rehearse for a show...logic over agenda every timeNotting Hill carnival cancelled and that is at the end of August
July 19th though
Keep an eye on this page as cases and admissions are reported to rise. Chart comparing vaxxed/unvaxxed near bottom of page 8.That would be a massive help
All you do is insult me. Shouldn’t of taken you off ignore. If you can’t talk to me reasonably don’t reply to me please
Every year there is a legitimate winter peak / strain on the NHS , but there's no doubt it was a political issue before COVID and it'll only increase. The December 2019 election was , second to Brexit, driven by the debate on the NHS and pictures of the young lad on the waiting room floor.I think there is also the element of other agendas there too, which muddy the water.
The NHS has been stretched to it's limits the last 10 years and really struggling. Even before the pandemic they would have said they are at breaking point. Short staffed and underfunded is just the nature of the role now sadly. Breaking point doesn't mean beds full and we have seen they can go beyond breaking point (even though this may not be sustainable).
If I were a NHS boss put in front of the cameras, I'd be thinking that if I say everything is fine it does reduce public anxiety, but my requests for more funding are undermined. However if I say we are at breaking point then we get more public support and pressure on the government for more money. It is in his interests to say that.