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Humans have took hundreds thousands of years to become this medically advanced with vaccines etc, why are people going backwards on this now?. It's a question that i'm buggered if I know the answer :lol:
 


Mr Redknapp said:
Humans have took hundreds thousands of years to become this medically advanced with vaccines etc, why are people going backwards on this now?. It's a question that i'm buggered if I know the answer :lol:
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Whilst Andrew Wakefield and the MMR scandal have a lot to answer for, I think a lot of anti-vaccination sentiment is disaffected people looking for attention and validation.
 
Not speaking for Ian Brown here (who may well be the former) but as a general point to those determined to turn this into a black and white issue. There is a world of difference between being ‘anti vax’ and ‘anti forced vaccination’.

Likewise being cautious or resistant to a new vaccine released under an emergency use licence with phase 4 trials not due to complete until 2023 - does not make someone ‘anti vax’

it’s the same tactic with every Covid issue, anyone expressing doubt, concern or advocating different approaches is labelled a ‘covidiot’.

“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance” - never a truer word said.
 
Frijj said:
Whilst Andrew Wakefield and the MMR scandal have a lot to answer for, I think a lot of anti-vaccination sentiment is disaffected people looking for attention and validation.
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Imagine how many people have died before vaccinations were invented?, all those millions of people. They were not fortunate to be around to enjoy the medical treatment we have today.
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
Not speaking for Ian Brown here (who may well be the former) but as a general point to those determined to turn this into a black and white issue. There is a world of difference between being ‘anti vax’ and ‘anti forced vaccination’.

Likewise being cautious or resistant to a new vaccine released under an emergency use licence with phase 4 trials not due to complete until 2023 - does not make someone ‘anti vax’

it’s the same tactic with every Covid issue, anyone expressing doubt, concern or advocating different approaches is labelled a ‘covidiot’.

“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance” - never a truer word said.
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Are you going to say, when infected, no treatment thank you, it’s a myth?
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
Do you think health care provision should be dependent on your beliefs? Does this apply to all health care interventions or just this? Let me know how this system works in practice?
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I’m asking you direct as you stated you will not take the vaccine, due to lack of trialling, if you will refuse any treatment if you sadly contract covid 19?
 
Ghfd said:
I’m asking you direct as you stated you will not take the vaccine, due to lack of trialling, if you will refuse any treatment if you sadly contract covid 19?
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The NHS won't ask me or anyone else that question so it's a mute point.

I assume your fictional scenario requires serious acute intervention? If so, like everyone else in a heath situation of that nature I would seek access to NHS services.

Back to my question - do you think they should restrict or withhold treatment? If so does this apply to other health care situations?
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
The NHS won't ask me or anyone else that question so it's a mute point.

I assume your fictional scenario requires serious acute intervention? If so, like everyone else in a heath situation of that nature I would seek access to NHS services.

Back to my question - do you think they should restrict or withhold treatment? If so does this apply to other health care situations?
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Whataboutery and avoidance of the highest level.

simple question, will you be vaccinated?
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
Not speaking for Ian Brown here (who may well be the former) but as a general point to those determined to turn this into a black and white issue. There is a world of difference between being ‘anti vax’ and ‘anti forced vaccination’.

Likewise being cautious or resistant to a new vaccine released under an emergency use licence with phase 4 trials not due to complete until 2023 - does not make someone ‘anti vax’

it’s the same tactic with every Covid issue, anyone expressing doubt, concern or advocating different approaches is labelled a ‘covidiot’.

“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance” - never a truer word said.
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So could you list an "alternative approach" that anyone other an anti vaxxer(covidiot) would consider a safer option ?
 
Ghfd said:
Whataboutery and avoidance of the highest level.

simple question, will you be vaccinated?
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No I won’t - thought you were clear on that. That assumption was core to the question you asked of me. I’ve answered every one of questions. Now please answer mine.

Do you think they should restrict or withhold treatment? If so does this apply to other health care situations?
 
themanagersnot2blame said:
No I won’t - thought you were clear on that. That assumption was core to the question you asked of me. I’ve answered every one of questions. Now please answer mine.

Do you think they should restrict or withhold treatment? If so does this apply to other health care situations?
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So with no vaccination, you will refuse any treatment if and when you contract covid?
 
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