Wisden cricketers of the year

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Its not the same and its not a fair comparison

Course it is. You’re just using a different differentiator. Size. Vs gender

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

If you want to do a women's version its fine.

They didn't want to do a women's version, they did a version that encompasses everybody who plays the game. If you want to do a men's version that's fine too. Why don't you?

I can't see your problem with the editor of Wisden selecting 5 players who he considered have been outstanding in the context of the game they play in.

Well maybe, I really don'tthink I am being sexist,maybe I am I dunno, but I am only interested in people who are the best at the game in the world, men or female, its the same game, same rules.

So you only want to watch Real Madrid then? Or Germany in internationals of course.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Is it 1925 still?

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

Doesn’t make it anymore entertaining just be cause they have tits and a fanny.

And there we go. It never takes long for the true colours to show does it?

 

[Voice of fair play]

I'd say it needs new players more, and I'm not convinced the kind of new fans who might be attracted will bother to play as a result.

Well it needs both tbf

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

I've watched women's cricket, if you are comparing it to mens, the standard is below awful.

Depends what you take it as.

I'm not really comparing it to men's, or to anything else really. But what do you mean exactly? What standard do you think england men's team was this winter? Should they ever be televised again?

When a woman can bowl 90mph, or score 1,000 FC runs then they'll deserve to be in Wisden.

99.9% of men wouldn't qualify either. But anyway, this means one of your two criteria for being a decent cricketer of a high standard is pace. You definitely don't like spinners.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I think they are mind.

I don't think they are arguing that the standard is good mind, what they arguing rightly or wrongly is that maybe they is people who would like to watch women's cricket and without any exposure no one ever will.

Me personally I don't watch women's cricket, can only fit soo many sports on our telly as it is with 2 kids and our lass, she already complains all I do is watch sport, women's cricket might tip her over the edge

However and I am deadly serious as I said earlier would rather watch a close women's one day game than watch that young opening batsman from Lancashire bat, because I would rather watch paint dry than him.

 

[brandon]

Looks like you do have an issue with it if you think it's not "proper" cricket, whatever that is.

Have you been hit on the head by a beamer recently or something?

Read the post again. I have no issue with women playing cricket.

I reserve my right however to call it absolutely horrific as a sporting spectacle. And in my opinion, it isn't proper cricket, no.

Because nobody outside the very limited scope of those games care, while they do care about primary national and international matches.

Are you genuinely saying they should have televised a second xi cricket match over an england world cup tournament match? Would you even watch it?


I can tell you exactly why. It's firstly because the coverage of the women's game is of the top level, either internationally or the national league system, and so it matters more than the 7th level of the men's game.

Over and above that of course is that it's entertaining and people do enjoy watching it.

Yes, I would watch it actually.

I'd wager that more people would watch league cricket, than the women's game. If the National Village Cup was televised, live, you didn't get more people watching it than an England women's game.

Is it entertaining? Really?

Do you still think if the been had the option of a second xi or Durham League match, or an england women's international, that they should choose the former because it would be a higher standard? Do you really believe that, because it's just bonkers?
Dubious, if they showed Northants v Derbyshire nobody outside derby or Northampton would watch more than a few overs. And the rest would soon die of boredom.

So you believe women's cricket is a better standard than Second XI men? Because I don't think England Women would beat any NEPL side.

As for the second post, you missed the part where I talked about listening figures aswell as viewing figures. But still, I would wager yes, that more people will tune in on the various media platforms to watch a County Championship game over a women's international. If you can find the figures for County games up against the last women's international they had on, I'll bet there was more interest in the county cricket.

 

[Greavsie]

Is it 1925 still?

Amazed yer wasting yer time on some of these like

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

Read the post again. I have no issue with women playing cricket.

I reserve my right however to call it absolutely horrific as a sporting spectacle. And in my opinion, it isn't proper cricket, no.



Yes, I would watch it actually.

I'd wager that more people would watch league cricket, than the women's game. If the National Village Cup was televised, live, you didn't get more people watching it than an England women's game.

Is it entertaining? Really?



So you believe women's cricket is a better standard than Second XI men? Because I don't think England Women would beat any NEPL side.

As for the second post, you missed the part where I talked about listening figures aswell as viewing figures. But still, I would wager yes, that more people will tune in on the various media platforms to watch a County Championship game over a women's international. If you can find the figures for County games up against the last women's international they had on, I'll bet there was more interest in the county cricket.

Well, at least I've been to the national village final at lords, have you?

Seriously though, you're really showing yourself up. Most of your opinions just seem to be made up to wind normal cricket fans up. What's actually "horrific" about anybody playing sport? It's just imbecilic. I wonder what you looked like, if you ever played.

I knew the cricket board had gone to the dogs in the last few years, but do you really need to behave like the most uneducated, ignorant knuckle dragger of the lot? Perhaps it's best you sit on your own watching second xi matches, while the rest of us enjoy watching England pull off a thrilling late victory in the World cup final.

Amazed yer wasting yer time on some of these like

Do you know these people? They make Jacob Rees mogg look progressive.

 

[brandon]

Nonsense.

It isn't nonsense, its fact. Martin Emmerson tweeted the figures at one point last year and the number of listeners to BBC county cricket commentaries was in the millions.

 

[Greavsie]

Well, at least I've been to the national village final at lords, have you?

Seriously though, you're really showing yourself up. Most of your opinions just seem to be made up to wind normal cricket fans up. What's actually "horrific" about anybody playing sport? It's just imbecilic. I wonder what you looked like, if you ever played.

I knew the cricket board had gone to the dogs in the last few years, but do you really need to behave like the most uneducated, ignorant knuckle dragger of the lot? Perhaps it's best you sit on your own watching second xi matches, while the rest of us enjoy watching England pull off a thrilling late victory in the World cup final.


Do you know these people? They make Jacob Rees mogg look progressive.

All voted Brexit. I’ll guarantee it. Jardine definitely. He probably campaigned to remove EU legislation that makes it illegal to chain women to the sink

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

It isn't nonsense, its fact. Martin Emmerson tweeted the figures at one point last year and the number of listeners to BBC county cricket commentaries was in the millions.

No it wasn't. It was the same few thousand on 100 different days over a whole season. Or else provide proper figures. If you really think millions are listening to this you're a bit of a dafty.

All voted Brexit. I’ll guarantee it. Jardine definitely. He probably campaigned to remove EU legislation that makes it illegal to chain women to the sink

What has happened to @brandon safc ? He seems to have gone right off the deep end.

 

[brandon]

Well, at least I've been to the national village final at lords, have you?

No, but it doesn't really matter, if it was on the telly I'd definitely watch it - which was kind of my point.

Seriously though, you're really showing yourself up. Most of your opinions just seem to be made up to wind normal cricket fans up. What's actually "horrific" about anybody playing sport? It's just imbecilic. I wonder what you looked like, if you ever played.

I do play, I enjoy playing, but I wouldn't expect my games to be televised because it wouldn't get viewing figures which warrant television coverage. That's what I'm getting at. However, I face bowling that is quicker than any woman can bowl and so I'm confident I could walk into the England women's team if I fancied a gender change.

I knew the cricket board had gone to the dogs in the last few years, but do you really need to behave like the most uneducated, ignorant knuckle dragger of the lot? Perhaps it's best you sit on your own watching second xi matches, while the rest of us enjoy watching England pull off a thrilling late victory in the World cup final.

Ahhhh there it is, the old nuckle dragger comment - I was quite surprised actually that it's taken so long, but there it is. So I'm a knuckle dragger because I acknowledge the fact women's cricket is a dog shit standard am I? Do you want to call me sexist too? Because I don't want to watch women's cricket?

The standard is shit, the batters are weak and the 'fast' bowling is slower than you'll see at any County U15 game. So it isn't for me thanks, if you want to watch it and fawn over it, crack on, but why ridicule those of us who can see it for what it really is??

I reiterate, I've no issue whatsoever with women playing cricket, what I don't like, which I've repeated about a hundred times, is the embarassing promotion of it by the MSM, overexaggerating and overhyping its quality and its draw. It's doing nobody any good to patronise it in the long run.

 

[TwasOnTheFifthOfMay]

I wouldn't expect my games to be televised because it wouldn't get viewing figures which warrant television coverage.

Is that the only reason?

I face bowling that is quicker than any woman can bowl and so I'm confident I could walk into the England women's team if I fancied a gender change.

Deluded

 

[brandon]

I'm not really comparing it to men's, or to anything else really. But what do you mean exactly? What standard do you think england men's team was this winter? Should they ever be televised again?


99.9% of men wouldn't qualify either. But anyway, this means one of your two criteria for being a decent cricketer of a high standard is pace. You definitely don't like spinners.

Ok then, 80mph if you prefer, because no women can bowl that quick either. You're just being facetious though, you knew exactly what I was getting at.

Again, I can't pretend and I don't think anyone else should pretend that watching women being beaten for pace by 60mph bowling is some kind of fantastic entertainment.

It's the same kind of bullshit patronising that means that when England Women fail at football they're 'brave lionesses' yet when the men stink up another international tournament they're hung drawn and quartered in the press by all comers.

Is that the only reason?
Deluded

So you don't think I face bowing that is quicker than 60mph in men's club cricket? And I'm deluded? Fuckwit.

Jimmy Anderson can do neither

You knew exactly what I was getting at.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Read the post again. I have no issue with women playing cricket.

I reserve my right however to call it absolutely horrific as a sporting spectacle. And in my opinion, it isn't proper cricket, no.



Yes, I would watch it actually.

I'd wager that more people would watch league cricket, than the women's game. If the National Village Cup was televised, live, you didn't get more people watching it than an England women's game.

Is it entertaining? Really?



So you believe women's cricket is a better standard than Second XI men? Because I don't think England Women would beat any NEPL side.

As for the second post, you missed the part where I talked about listening figures aswell as viewing figures. But still, I would wager yes, that more people will tune in on the various media platforms to watch a County Championship game over a women's international. If you can find the figures for County games up against the last women's international they had on, I'll bet there was more interest in the county cricket.

If it's not proper cricket!!!

What is it then?

Cricket is cricket whether played by 8 year old boys or 57 year old women, be it test match cricket or T20 cricket or schoolboy cricket.

This not 'proper cricket' crack just shows either snobbery or old fashonied nonsense probably both!

 

[brandon]

No it wasn't. It was the same few thousand on 100 different days over a whole season. Or else provide proper figures. If you really think millions are listening to this you're a bit of a dafty.


What has happened to @brandon safc ? He seems to have gone right off the deep end.

Here you go, @Bri provided the figures.

Probably irrelevant to this thread or maybe not.

Stat Attack - Part Two
Now I humbly suggest this is worth noting:
The listening figures for the online BBC cricket broadcasts in 2017 were as follows:
County Championship 1.6 million
NatWest Blast: 560,000
Royal London One-Day Cup 440,000
Yes, there were more days' cricket, but all the same
And the BBC's live text page-views for Championship matches went up from 17.8 million to 24.1 million.

Curious, really, for a format and a competition nobody cares about.

Have a great season everyone. See you tomorrow.

That was from espncricinfo, The County blog. And of course it quotes BBC figures so the numbers for web page view are surely underplayed, I never go to the Beeb for this, always cricinfo which I think is better.

1.6 million listened to County Championship coverage.

24.1 million viewed the BBC live text pages.

I'd doubt women's cricket pages get over a million, even since they've started disguising women's stories in order to get more hits.

Mind you'll probably try and tell me that the same bloke in his piss soaked y-fronts was responsible for 80% of those hits by simply hitting refresh time and time again throughout the summer.

If it's not proper cricket!!!

What is it then?

Cricket is cricket whether played by 8 year old boys or 57 year old women, be it test match cricket or T20 cricket or schoolboy cricket.

This not 'proper cricket' crack just shows either snobbery or old fashonied nonsense probably both!

Women's cricket.

If you want to know what proper cricket is, go on Twitter, it's got its own hashtag.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Here you go, @Bri provided the figures.



1.6 million listened to County Championship coverage.

24.1 million viewed the BBC live text pages.

I'd doubt women's cricket pages get over a million, even since they've started disguising women's stories in order to get more hits.

Mind you'll probably try and tell me that the same bloke in his piss soaked y-fronts was responsible for 80% of those hits by simply hitting refresh time and time again throughout the summer.



Women's cricket.

If you want to know what proper cricket is, go on Twitter, it's got its own hashtag.

I know what proper cricket is played all my life, a lot of them 20 over club cricket played by great blokes and great teams.

I can ensure you that is and was proper cricket!!

Even taking into your previous arguments on this subject, can fathom any reason why women's test cricket played in whites over a longer format cant be 'proper cricket' in your world!

How is it not?

Before you always said proper cricket was that played over a longer format while played in whites now when it's played by women you all of a sudden dismiss that concept when it suits!

 

[brandon]

I know what proper cricket is played all my life, a lot of them 20 over club cricket played by great blokes and great teams.

I can ensure you that is and was proper cricket!!

Even taking into your previous arguments on this subject, can fathom any reason why women's test cricket played in whites over a longer format cant be 'proper cricket' in your world!

How is it not?

Before you always said proper cricket was that played over a longer format while played in whites now when it's played by women you all of a sudden dismiss that concept when it suits!

Well, if you've got your own opinion of what proper cricket is, that's fair enough - what I can't fathom, is why you get so offended everytime I mention the phrase 'Proper Cricket'.

It's come up loads of times in the past, everytime I say the phrase you are up in arms dismissing my statement and asking why I think or feel the way I feel.

In my view, proper cricket is Test and First Class, and as you mentioned, white clothing and a red ball.

If you have a completely different view, fair play to you - you are wholly entitled to it.

If you want to research more though, create a thread on it - 'What do you believe Proper Cricket is' - and see what people come up with. Ultimately, its totally subjective. It's exactly like the phrase 'playing football the right way' - what is the right way?