dangermows
Striker
Pakistani doesn't mean Muslim.
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There'll be a few from social services and police who will have to live with this guilt and ridicule for years to come, and rightly so, the useless gets
on similar note, i'm surprised that sunderland children services failures never received more publicity as that sounds a right shambles also
And I've never had a problem with that. As I've said man, many times and on this thread - I'm in agreement that Pakistani gangs have a particular MO and yes, that is taken into consideration when we're looking at strategies to tackle/prevent these crimes. As I said earlier in this thread - we can differentiate by culture the way in which sex attacks are carried out. If they're Pakistani they're probably hunting in gangs looking to isolate kids on the street...if they're white it's probably the uncle looking to isolate a member of the family. If it's a white gang they're probably looking at isolating really young kids from parents to abuse for kicks and profit. I've even trotted out rape statistics from Pakistan and their spread in the past to give insights to the cultural problem within honour cultures regarding rape and the fact that they don't really about the ethnicity of their victims. Yes? And? So what?https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-grooming-gangs
@JonMc & @janiep I think you should read the article above and then get in touch with Ceop and give them a bit of your righteous indignation about not differentiating between types of abuse/abusers.
“Type 1 offenders” target young people “on the basis of their vulnerability, rather than as a result of a specific preferential sexual interest in children”. This is exactly what these grooming gangs are - Type 1 offenders, unlike the paedo gangs you like to bring up as examples of not all abusers being asian/muslim - these are type 2 offenders according to Ceop.
And I've never had a problem with that. As I've said man, many times and on this thread - I'm in agreement that Pakistani gangs have a particular MO and yes, that is taken into consideration when we're looking at strategies to tackle/prevent these crimes. As I said earlier in this thread - we can differentiate by culture the way in which sex attacks are carried out. If they're Pakistani they're probably hunting in gangs looking to isolate kids on the street...if they're white it's probably the uncle looking to isolate a member of the family. If it's a white gang they're probably looking at isolating really young kids from parents to abuse for kicks and profit. I've even trotted out rape statistics from Pakistan and their spread in the past to give insights to the cultural problem within honour cultures regarding rape and the fact that they don't really about the ethnicity of their victims. Yes? And? So what?
I agree with the bolded bit, but you have to agree when it comes to discussing this issue, certain people are quick to pipe up "but, but, but there are white christian grooming gangs as well",when there are really aren't - not of type 1 anyway.I just don't see why one particular group of offenders should upset us or horrify us anymore than any of the others and that is what seems to be happening here. That's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. It all needs to be cleaned up equally and evenly...no tolerance to whomever commits these crimes in any way, shape or form.
Because it just seems so bloody pointless to differentiate when we're looking to apportion 'blame'. It just seems so purile. Yes - it's interesting and helpful for groups like Ceop with all of the partnerships that make this crime agency to look at these differentiations when we're looking at strategies to curb these crimes but apart from that? What?So why did you say "FFS. Is this where we're at now? Trading semantics about what differentiates a grooming gang from a paedo one"? when it's now clear it is differentiated by official bodies like Ceop.
I agree with the bolded bit, but you have to agree when it comes to discussing this issue, certain people are quick to pipe up "but, but, but there are white christian grooming gangs as well",when there are really aren't - not of type 1 anyway.
My "favourite" (can't really think of an alternative word) line was "there's no such thing as a child prostitute". She hit the nail on the head there. Couldn't believe how judgmental and presumptuous social services were. They should've been locked up anarl(maybe they were, I haven't finished it yet!).
I assumed so. Amber's definitely was. It was just they said the only physical evidence they had was the dna from the foetus and that's why they needed Ruby.Was Holly's child from the rapes like? Didn't think that was the crack?
Also, you'd need to test the foetus to find out who it's father was regardless of others.
I assumed so. Amber's definitely was. It was just they said the only physical evidence they had was the dna from the foetus and that's why they needed Ruby.
Maybe that would explain it.I don't think Hollys is. How old was Amber when she got pregnant? Might have been of legal age by that point?
When people are saying "The authorities and The Police" they mean the ones specifically involved surely ?I never said that man. But it's no good demonising the police force en masse. Inquiries have been held and probably still ongoing.
Suppose it where we face up to reality but only by watching Tv,the one thing we use to escape itBizarre how people found it so hard viewing they couldn't watch. Aye the subject matter is a bit grim but it's a TV drama about things we are already well aware of and featured nothing graphic.
And I've never had a problem with that. As I've said man, many times and on this thread - I'm in agreement that Pakistani gangs have a particular MO and yes, that is taken into consideration when we're looking at strategies to tackle/prevent these crimes. As I said earlier in this thread - we can differentiate by culture the way in which sex attacks are carried out. If they're Pakistani they're probably hunting in gangs looking to isolate kids on the street...if they're white it's probably the uncle looking to isolate a member of the family. If it's a white gang they're probably looking at isolating really young kids from parents to abuse for kicks and profit. I've even trotted out rape statistics from Pakistan and their spread in the past to give insights to the cultural problem within honour cultures regarding rape and the fact that they don't really about the ethnicity of their victims. Yes? And? So what?
I just don't see why one particular group of offenders should upset us or horrify us anymore than any of the others and that is what seems to be happening here. That's the bit that doesn't make sense to me. It all needs to be cleaned up equally and evenly...no tolerance to whomever commits these crimes in any way, shape or form.
Again - Nazir Afzal has shown that he was on the same page with all of this and it's his comments that I have time for the most.
Knew you wouldnt let me downThere are plenty of threads where people are arguing the wider issues and your particularly awesome brand of debating would be, not exactly welcome but not so out of place as on here. Perhaps you could show just the slightest modicum of respect and save it for those threads