The Laughing Stock of World Cricket (AGAIN)

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Mr Redknapp said:
Think they have over-complicated the selection on this tour definitely, they picked the right team for the conditions in Sri Lanka and look what happened. Coaches are not the be all and end all but since Gooch was scapegoated a few years ago and replaced with Ramps, they haven't been the same.

Think their obsession with picking people who can bat down to 9-10 has built a team of batters who will either all hit 400 or get rolled over for between 75-250. That's why you need specialist batsmen and bowlers because some of these players are neither one thing or another,

Never mind they will win the ODI series!, which is more important to the ECB.
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I think you have hit on the problem there - this obsessing with a long batting tail. If you look at the really great sides most of the bowlers were rabbits, swing and miss merchants but they could bowl. We seem to have a team of bits and pieces players who can bat and bowl but wouldn’t get into the side on one of these skills alone
 


Won 7 of the last 10 tests haven't we? Problem is when we do lose we lose in a terrible way every time.

When Rocky was in the side there was an article saying he was the first public school batting pick since Colly. Rocky went to Whickham comp.
 
rentaghost said:
Won 7 of the last 10 tests haven't we? Problem is when we do lose we lose in a terrible way every time.

When Rocky was in the side there was an article saying he was the first public school batting pick since Colly. Rocky went to Whickham comp.
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Denly was state school. Root was too til he got a scholarship.
 
Silly Point said:
Anderson surely went to a normal comp?
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He did - quite a lot of our bowlers / all rounders did over the years including all of the Durham lads Plunkett, Wood, Harmison, Onions etc. Its mainly front line batters that were nearly all private schooled.
 
rentaghost said:
He did - quite a lot of our bowlers / all rounders did over the years including all of the Durham lads Plunkett, Wood, Harmison, Onions etc. Its mainly front line batters that were nearly all private schooled.
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or are South African who would have also gone to a private school.

Interesting it's the batsmen mostly.
 
Bri said:
or are South African who would have also gone to a private school.

Interesting it's the batsmen mostly.
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Once had a bit craic on the boundary with Alan Richardson when he was playing up here for Middlesex against us and one of the lads expressed suprise that he wasn't a Posho.
He replied that all the bowlers were ordinary lads (one of which was Bettsy) but Nos.1-6 were all 'Bertie Woosters'.
 
taipeisafc said:
I think you have hit on the problem there - this obsessing with a long batting tail. If you look at the really great sides most of the bowlers were rabbits, swing and miss merchants but they could bowl. We seem to have a team of bits and pieces players who can bat and bowl but wouldn’t get into the side on one of these skills alone
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I disagree to some extent - I would argue that the best batsmen and the best English qualified bowlers have been picked by and large. Best county openers in the last few years Stoneman, Burns, Jennings. Best English batsman Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler. Best English seam bowlers Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Stokes. Now you can have that argument about Curran and Ali but against India last summer they were excellent and are amongst the best in the country in their respective disciplines. The 3 wicket keeper situation is a bit of a mess like I agree.

The issue boils down to our batsmen - who are the best we have around not being consistent enough.
 
taipeisafc said:
I think you have hit on the problem there - this obsessing with a long batting tail. If you look at the really great sides most of the bowlers were rabbits, swing and miss merchants but they could bowl. We seem to have a team of bits and pieces players who can bat and bowl but wouldn’t get into the side on one of these skills alone
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The exact phrase I was thinking about, they are decent test players but not great and they seem to have off days together because of their mentalities.

Mentioned it a few times but sacking Gooch was a mistake too imo.
 
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County Cricket just isn't producing the quality of batsmen. Playing in April/May and Aug/Sept is the real reason batsmen aren't coming through

The pool is small anyway, 18 x 6 batsmen. Add those squad players in there and the overseas we are probably down to about 50 batsmen to choose from.

This is going to become more of the norm as modern players will want to play all 3 formats and therefore the art of batting long innings will be a thing of the past
 
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