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Ten German Bombers
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If the grandchildren of Transatlantic slaves had a song about destroying a slave ship and those that owned it, had a song, and sung it to a British crowd, would you be offended?
Wearside Wanderer II
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The Fish
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HeedBoy87
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We were signing it before that game, I always thought it was about NYD 1980. I remember Sunderland went 1-0 up and a Broon bottle came out the East Stand seats and landed just behind me at the front of the Paddock..
No Germans (or very few) will be offended by a song about defeating the Nazis. Equally it's hardly shocking. Maybe the less commonly sung "my grandad killed your grandad doo-dah doo-dah, my grandad killed your grandad all the doo-dah-day" might offend but the German bomber song was not created to shock or offend, it's just a chant that pissed people started for a laugh and it caught on.
You're more than likely right. I only started going to games around 1988 so that's the earliest I remember it from.
Are these Germans offended by the song?
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I think they're taking the piss out of England fans who sing it.
dangermows
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It's been sang by clubs up and down the country for decades. Apparently everyones rivals ran away
Nope, they aren't
Needs to be translated but there's an article about the song http://www.taz.de/!424427/
So there's at least one section of Germans who aren't offended
Of course goading is part of football, but surely you can see that singing about a war is beyond the pale? It's the same as fans singing about Munich, or Hillsborough, or similar for me.
I think it's all fair game personally. But I'm a fan of genuine free speech. I also think it's fair that you judge every single person who sing these songs.
gipetto
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The lefties would join in marra.
It's been sang by clubs up and down the country for decades. Apparently everyones rivals ran away
Fans desperately trying to leg away from each other in every direction. New years day must have been mental back in the day.
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nilid69
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People can sing what they want. I'm not personally offended, and no-one else has the right to be protected from offence.
That said, I do find scenes of England fans generally pretty cringe-worthy. It always seems like we've decided, en masse, to go in costume as the comments section of a Daily Mail article. Why are there always people dressed as crusaders?! It's like US fans turning up in f***ing KKK costumes.
That said, I do find scenes of England fans generally pretty cringe-worthy. It always seems like we've decided, en masse, to go in costume as the comments section of a Daily Mail article. Why are there always people dressed as crusaders?! It's like US fans turning up in f***ing KKK costumes.
gipetto
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No. That's how you've decided to interpret it.
dangermows
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Outside they all end up bumping into each other as they hurtle round the ground in the opposite direction.
The Fish
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I'm also a fan of a firm defender of free speech. But this is something that comes up a lot, Freedom of Speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of saying stupid shit.
If someone stands at Speakers corner and criticises the UK, that's his/her right, but they should appreciate their criticism may anger people so they should consider their words. If someone preaches hatred and calls for violence, they should be punished.
If some football fans sings a song about the deaths of enemy soldiers, they should understand that it may offend people. People who're then well within their rights to exercise their freedom of speech in condemning the singing.
DJP
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If they changed it to "Ten German Bummers" there'd be hell on.
The Fish
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It's not a particularly nuanced song.
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