Spain changing their mind on vaccine strategy?

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Didn't answer the points though did you?
A Govt corrupt, imbecilic, whilst institutions are dismantled...????
The BBC once the media flagship of the World now so frightened of further inroads that they just trot out what the current DG tells them to?
Please explain how Hancock is still in post? And before you reply remember that I dealt with large sums of public money being distributed on open contracts?
Mate, what I read shocks me. I have a visceral reaction to what's gone on. I feel an unpleasant reaction in my gut to the very many scandals this Govt have wandered into both by incompetence and what I genuinely perceive is corruption.
I don't think I'm 'bitter-ish.' Just genuinely sad and puzzled that someone like you can't see it.
 


El Matador said:
Isn't 22 days well within the 4 week gap recommended ? Also no mention of the over 65's in that report.
That was published on 3rd of February. I don't see countries lining up to give it to their over 65's and extend the gap to 12 weeks.
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Did you miss the bit that said;
"With an inter-dose interval of 12 weeks or more, vaccine efficacy increased to 82% (CI: 63%, 92%)".

Add the empirical evidence. What more do you want?
Nothing is ever going to persuade you otherwise so I'm not going to waste my time on a bitter ex pat.
 
Hank Scorpio said:
Its this ^

I’m sure I’ve read that tourism is worth nearly 200bn to Spain and employs nearly 3m people.
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Tourism is about 12.5 to 13% of Spain's entire GDP, I think. As well as about 13-14% of all employment. That is across the country as a whole some regions must be completely dependent on it, I'm thinking the Costas and the Islands. It must be tough for people/business in them areas. About a 25% of all tourists are from Britain.

I have noticed in the news this morning that Greece has taken some of the trade while the UK is still prohibited from travelling to Spain.

Spain need the tourism industry open as soon as safely possible, must be worrying times with the pandemic and brexit together for their people in the tourist industry.
 
Wild Card said:
Tourism is about 12.5 to 13% of Spain's entire GDP, I think. As well as about 13-14% of all employment. That is across the country as a whole some regions must be completely dependent on it, I'm thinking the Costas and the Islands. It must be tough for people/business in them areas. About a 25% of all tourists are from Britain.

I have noticed in the news this morning that Greece has taken some of the trade while the UK is still prohibited from travelling to Spain.

Spain need the tourism industry open as soon as safely possible, must be worrying times with the pandemic and brexit together for their people in the tourist industry.
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Whilst it’s still illegal to travel abroad on holiday it doesn’t matter one iota what Spain or Greece does
 
HerdnMulhall said:
Ok the virus was first encountered on Spanish shores within Europe. Dreadful stories of staff stricken and unable to get into work. Old peoples homes with residents dying because the staff were too ill to go in.Whilst that blond tousled wanker who you no doubt think is a bit of a lad was going around shaking hands. The scoreboard, for want of a phrase that is I'm sure you secretly count, months later is Spain around 68,000 excess deaths and the UK despite a 5 week start 120,000 excess deaths.
And these are people, human beings, and you, you, I can't type the words to express my absolute disgust at you trying to make a Little Englander point scoring exercise at the thought of the carnage this virus has caused.
I am so glad I'm not you-
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I don’t know where you’ve got your excess deaths from, worth looking at this where uk and Spain are both recorded as having 160 excess death per 100k of population

www.economist.com

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
www.economist.com www.economist.com
Also First case in Europe was In France not Spain and both Germany And Italy reported cases before Spain
 
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Honesty don’t get why these governments are still dismissing scientists, this entire virus has got as badly out of hand as it has as they have took gambles that scientists recommendations can be twisted and adjusted and you’d have thought a lesson would have been learned at this point.
 
Hank Scorpio said:
I have said for months that the likes of Spain and Greece will be desperate for the summer season to go ahead as normal (as will jet2 etc). Behind the scenes they will be trying to find a way that allows tourists to travel whilst keeping their infection rate low.
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May seems to be the month that is being worked towards.
 
HerdnMulhall said:
Bitter ex pats? Please stick your head up your arse even further. Why do you have to take relish in different countries and very different cultures having different responses? We, that is all of us, are facing a pandemic. Some have done better with vaccine roll-outs, some don't have the death toll other countries have. It's not an invitation to flag wave. But as always you can't resist. Sad.
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Aye, there's nee winners in any of this.
 
DoctorMick said:
Why is it the ex pats on here all seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders?
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i wonder that as well. they all seem to revel in putting the country down at every opportunity. anything anyone says against their beloved eu results in childish little englander jibes.
i know quite a lot of expats and none of them are as bitter as these lot on here. the ones i know also voted in the referendum unlike the most vociferous on here who couldn't be arsed.
 
bahtat said:
I don’t know where you’ve got your excess deaths from, worth looking at this where uk and Spain are both recorded as having 160 excess death per 100k of population



www.economist.com

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
www.economist.com www.economist.com
Also First case in Europe was In France not Spain and both Germany And Italy reported cases before Spain
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Worldometer coronavirus website is my go to source. See below .And yes I stand corrected on where the first cases in Europe were. However the fact remains that, and I clearly recall posting about it , that the UK govt-s response was initially tardy particularly as the curve in infections was 5 or so weeks ahead of the UK. There was stuff going on here that caused me to post at the time trying to bring my personal experience to light so that people back home might be more aware.

#Country,
Other		Total
Cases		New
Cases		Total
Deaths		New
Deaths		Total
Recovered		Active
Cases		Serious,
Critical		Tot Cases/
1M pop		Deaths/
1M pop		Total
Tests		Tests/
1M pop		Population
World112,726,316+88,1372,498,395+2,97788,298,47121,929,45092,27214,462320.5
1USA28,897,718514,996 19,212,5179,170,20516,35586,9731,550351,053,6791,056,557332,262,090
2India11,030,176+850156,598 10,726,702146,8768,9447,942113213,036,275153,3971,388,790,098
3Brazil10,260,621248,646 9,215,164796,8118,31848,0501,16428,600,000133,933213,539,214
4Russia4,200,902+11,74984,430 +3833,751,562364,9102,30028,778578109,800,000752,183145,975,172
5UK4,134,639121,305 2,606,9991,406,3352,27360,6991,78186,980,5421,276,92068,117,471
6France3,629,89185,044 252,0833,292,7643,43555,5311,30151,383,765786,07665,367,398
7Spain3,161,43268,079 2,561,102532,2513,36567,6001,45638,491,517823,05
 
HerdnMulhall said:
Worldometer coronavirus website is my go to source. See below .And yes I stand corrected on where the first cases in Europe were. However the fact remains that, and I clearly recall posting about it , that the UK govt-s response was initially tardy particularly as the curve in infections was 5 or so weeks ahead of the UK. There was stuff going on here that caused me to post at the time trying to bring my personal experience to light so that people back home might be more aware.

#Country,
Other		Total
Cases		New
Cases		Total
Deaths		New
Deaths		Total
Recovered		Active
Cases		Serious,
Critical		Tot Cases/
1M pop		Deaths/
1M pop		Total
Tests		Tests/
1M pop		Population
World112,726,316+88,1372,498,395+2,97788,298,47121,929,45092,27214,462320.5
1USA28,897,718514,99619,212,5179,170,20516,35586,9731,550351,053,6791,056,557332,262,090
2India11,030,176+850156,59810,726,702146,8768,9447,942113213,036,275153,3971,388,790,098
3Brazil10,260,621248,6469,215,164796,8118,31848,0501,16428,600,000133,933213,539,214
4Russia4,200,902+11,74984,430+3833,751,562364,9102,30028,778578109,800,000752,183145,975,172
5UK4,134,639121,3052,606,9991,406,3352,27360,6991,78186,980,5421,276,92068,117,471
6France3,629,89185,044252,0833,292,7643,43555,5311,30151,383,765786,07665,367,398
7Spain3,161,43268,0792,561,102532,2513,36567,6001,45638,491,517823,05
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Yet the UK has some of the harshest lockdown laws in place in the world - 8th place.

Whereas the Government have been shocking at times, there's more at play than simply our death stats.
 
Brian Griffin said:
Yet the UK has some of the harshest lockdown laws in place in the world - 8th place.

Whereas the Government have been shocking at times, there's more at play than simply our death stats.
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I'm interested in your reply so please help me gain a greater understanding. The various measures taken here have been going on so long that it's hard to remember what normal life was once like, generally it has been managed on a region by region and municipality by municipality basis. The local mayors here have inordinate powers compared to back in the UK and we have a good one in our tiny municipaity of 1700. Restrictions monitored weekly and ramped up and down as appropriate on his say so based obviously on the data from the local health centre, the regional seat of Government and Madrid. Masks have been obligatory for many, many months. Curfews imposed. Mass testing ordered by the Mayor. Travel to bordering municipalities currently banned without very good reason. At first there was the Spanish Army patrolling in armoured cars here at the top of our track. The Guardia Civil out in force and they really are fearsome. Dishing out big fines for any infringement.The sense I have is that the virus has been subject to a micro management and a stricter enforcement here than what I see back in the UK. There are anecdotal reports on this board of , and images of the BEEB of town centres where in just one aspect, mask wearing, there is a level of non compliance. That would just be unthinkable here now. So what are those other factors at play you mention? Like I say I'm interested and it's not about point scoring its about understanding the best way forward and the lessons learnt across cultures and countries.
 
HerdnMulhall said:
I'm interested in your reply so please help me gain a greater understanding. The various measures taken here have been going on so long that it's hard to remember what normal life was once like, generally it has been managed on a region by region and municipality by municipality basis. The local mayors here have inordinate powers compared to back in the UK and we have a good one in our tiny municipaity of 1700. Restrictions monitored weekly and ramped up and down as appropriate on his say so based obviously on the data from the local health centre, the regional seat of Government and Madrid. Masks have been obligatory for many, many months. Curfews imposed. Mass testing ordered by the Mayor. Travel to bordering municipalities currently banned without very good reason. At first there was the Spanish Army patrolling in armoured cars here at the top of our track. The Guardia Civil out in force and they really are fearsome. Dishing out big fines for any infringement.The sense I have is that the virus has been subject to a micro management and a stricter enforcement here than what I see back in the UK. There are anecdotal reports on this board of , and images of the BEEB of town centres where in just one aspect, mask wearing, there is a level of non compliance. That would just be unthinkable here now. So what are those other factors at play you mention? Like I say I'm interested and it's not about point scoring its about understanding the best way forward and the lessons learnt across cultures and countries.
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I would say it is very loosely policed here. But since there is little or nothing to do the vast majority of people have abided by the rules with a little blurring at the edges. I don't think have ever had lockdown like Spain or Italy.
 
FootballFan said:
Its a bit of a gamble the single jab strategy IMO but very hard to know what is best.
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The figures are nothing short of astoundingly positive though , I think you will see more and more countries switching to the UK strategy of a single dose to as many people as possible first. Just watch these tow videos, the second one is a significant warning to the USA that they need to look at doing it our way , actually soundbites coming out of Washington suggest that they are exploring switching to a 6/7 week gap between vaccinations.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
I would say it is very loosely policed here. But since there is little or nothing to do the vast majority of people have abided by the rules with a little blurring at the edges. I don't think have ever had lockdown like Spain or Italy.
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This is part of what went wrong here @HerdnMulhall - we didn't have so much a lockdown...it was more of a lock out - as in you can't do anything as nowhere is allowed to open, which as @Harry Angstrom says is probably why it was loosely policed.

You can read more about the study here: Britain's lockdown is one of the toughest in the WORLD, study claims apologies for the source.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
I would say it is very loosely policed here. But since there is little or nothing to do the vast majority of people have abided by the rules with a little blurring at the edges. I don't think have ever had lockdown like Spain or Italy.
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I was working in Gran Canaria at the back end of last year and it was strict as fuck. The police were like the gestapo. I seen them fine people on the spot for not wearing a mask properly. Real overkill. A bar owner told me that his mate (also a bar owner) got fined €400,000 for having his bar open one minute past closing time (midnight). He couldn't pay it and topped himself.

In Italy last year it was strict as fuck too. Police driving around with loudspeakers telling people to stay in. It was like the Purge or something.
 
Gucci Massive said:
I was working in Gran Canaria at the back end of last year and it was strict as fuck. The police were like the gestapo. I seen them fine people on the spot for not wearing a mask properly. Real overkill. A bar owner told me that his mate (also a bar owner) got fined €400,000 for having his bar open one minute past closing time (midnight). He couldn't pay it and topped himself.

In Italy last year it was strict as fuck too. Police driving around with loudspeakers telling people to stay in. It was like the Purge or something.
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The thing about Spain as opposed to the UK is that in the UK fines are generally proportionate and used as a sanction. In Spain they can be widely disproportionate and seem to be used more as a Government revenue scheme.
Case in point, mate of mine, a local, works as a tree surgeon. Came up from the coast and was pulled over. They found amongst his tools a machete, standard kit for him in his trade. The police reckoned that any tool with a blade or something like a screwdriver should be in a locked box so it cant be pulled on the police if, like him, you get pulled over. Fined 2000 euros and he decided to appeal. The Judge increased the fine to iirc 10,000. Perhaps there is a clue in both our posts why there did appear a greater compliance over quarantine regs and mask wearing.
 
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