BILLY BUS PASS
Midfield
When ya run a company first thing you are told is don’t fukk with the vat man they are ruthless.Reported on the same day a woman was jailed for 17 years for VAT fraud.
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When ya run a company first thing you are told is don’t fukk with the vat man they are ruthless.Reported on the same day a woman was jailed for 17 years for VAT fraud.
The minimum tarrif seemed high, 22 years. Not sure if it will be appealed but it probably should be. Also, odd he didn’t plead guilty, the evidence was overwhelming.
Did you hear the judges summing up?
He had history though and showed no remorse as well as telling lie upon lie, he will do most of his time in mental health wing
nah what was said ?
Became an alcoholic as a result of serious sexual assaults by a group of men whilst a child.
When you put the anger and the behaviour he showed from that point forward, including his previous conviction into that context then it’s a horror story.
Yeah think he was a complexed young man, He was a foster child took in by a family i know and he has never been easy
he caused them lots of problems over the years
Yeah its one big huge mess, The police have been out to this lad lots of time over the years he has attacked his foster parents and tore the family to bits but looks like he never really got any good help.Something is so far wrong with the system when kids who have been anywhere near the care system, even as limited as his was, disproportionately end up in prison and we haven’t yet worked out how to combat it. We know the warning signs and we know why but we can’t prevent it.
38% of the UK adult prison population are previously looked after children. Less than 1% of the general population are looked after. It’s nuts.
I feel so sorry for his family, they seem like really decent folk. Those poor people. As much as people rightly feel it should be, prison will be exceptionally difficult for him.
That’s before we even get to thinking about the victims family.
Yeah its one big huge mess, The police have been out to this lad lots of time over the years he has attacked his foster parents and tore the family to bits but looks like he never really got any good help.
On the other side of this the way he lied and lied about stabbing this lad was horrific and so he deserves to be punished and off our streets as he would do it again.
Yeah the victims family i do feel sorry for because all their son did wrong was meet an absolute horrific individual
Reported on the same day a woman was jailed for 17 years for VAT fraud.
Unfortunately him and thousands others go under the radar or become too high maintenance to look after so they are left aloneAwful mate. Having behaved that way and I’m guessing pushed the family away I can not see him surviving prison.
I know plenty will disagree but how do we as a society create this and people like this man.
Not saying there aren't problems in the care system cos there is but is this cause and effect or effect and cause if you know what I mean. The care system by its very nature have brought into it children from troubled backgrounds and broken and chaotic homes and generally they are taken from family who cannot or choose not to cope but are family nevertheless.Something is so far wrong with the system when kids who have been anywhere near the care system, even as limited as his was, disproportionately end up in prison and we haven’t yet worked out how to combat it. We know the warning signs and we know why but we can’t prevent it.
38% of the UK adult prison population are previously looked after children. Less than 1% of the general population are looked after. It’s nuts.
I feel so sorry for his family, they seem like really decent folk. Those poor people. As much as people rightly feel it should be, prison will be exceptionally difficult for him.
That’s before we even get to thinking about the victims family.
Unfortunately him and thousands others go under the radar or become too high maintenance to look after so they are left alone
Also the metal health support for people in this country is horrific with long waiting lists seen as the normal
Always somebody else’s problem.
Root cause never adequately dealt with. I despair with the fabric of this Country and as a Father of two young decent well brought up lads I fear that they ever come across scum like this.
Nobody wins in any of this just once again a tragedy. How do you move on from this?
Because I don’t think I could right now.
Too right. Remember the court case that had to be halted because no-one on the jury knew what "coerce" meant ? Mind that was before it was popularJury system is totally flawed. There's too many morons around these days to make a sensible and obvious verdict.
Not saying there aren't problems in the care system cos there is but is this cause and effect or effect and cause if you know what I mean. The care system by its very nature have brought into it children from troubled backgrounds and broken and chaotic homes and generally they are taken from family who cannot or choose not to cope but are family nevertheless.
From my experience the care service and care workers especially do the best job they can but in many cases are just fire fighting and cannot compete with poor history, poor family structures, peer pressure and sometimes just damaged children who have learned nothing but how to cause damage themselves.
The high percentages of care experienced young people in prison is not a statistic that tells us much initself because how many of these young people would have entered the system if they hadn't been put into care.
Clear your inbox mate.
Done Mate
Yes it looks like that's what has happened. I'm not sure why they are blaming each other though if a third party actually killed him. Why don't they just say who did it? Fear?There is a lot of information that we have not seen in this case.....there is a lot of information that has NOT been reported by the media......Im presuming the Judge has prevented the media from reporting these things. This can be seen on the day of the verdict that the media quickly moved on from reporting it and also the lack of statements coming from the police.
What we can take from this is that jury believe that these lads did not kill him......they were at the scene at some point , assisted in the grave digging , text Kieran to meet them , lied to the police and hid information but they did not kill him. Others were involved and this is what the jury came to the conclusion. The boys were coerced into taking the rap for it.
THISOne thing for sure is the case of Kieran Williams is an injustice.....the police will have a very good idea who was involved and what went on...but when 2 young lads confess to it then blame each other , it was always going to be a difficult one for the force to prove.
It was like one of those Mafia stories when someone takes the rap , says nowt and does the time.....comes out as a hero to the criminals involved. Ive seen a crime programme recently from America where this exact same scenario played out....confess to being there but blame each other.....it then goes to the jury and where there is Reasonable Doubt they all got acquitted.
Its my belief ,the 2 young lads where coerced into confessing and blaming each other....they knew that with the age of the 2 and doubt behind who did the stabbing then they were always going to get lighter sentences. I do believe according to the Sunderland Echo the police have not closed this case.....i think the true story will one day come out when someone has their arse on the line and seeks protection or a lighter sentence for grassing. Plus the families , friends and gangs involved will always be looking over the shoulder at revenge attacks or being bribed from people knowing the truth. Although it may seem that people have got away with this ,it will linger , fester and cause grief for years to come
One thing for sure is the case of Kieran Williams is an injustice.....the police will have a very good idea who was involved and what went on...but when 2 young lads confess to it then blame each other , it was always going to be a difficult one for the force to prove.
It was like one of those Mafia stories when someone takes the rap , says nowt and does the time.....comes out as a hero to the criminals involved. Ive seen a crime programme recently from America where this exact same scenario played out....confess to being there but blame each other.....it then goes to the jury and where there is Reasonable Doubt they all got acquitted.
Its my belief ,the 2 young lads where coerced into confessing and blaming each other....they knew that with the age of the 2 and doubt behind who did the stabbing then they were always going to get lighter sentences. I do believe according to the Sunderland Echo the police have not closed this case.....i think the true story will one day come out when someone has their arse on the line and seeks protection or a lighter sentence for grassing. Plus the families , friends and gangs involved will always be looking over the shoulder at revenge attacks or being bribed from people knowing the truth. Although it may seem that people have got away with this ,it will linger , fester and cause grief for years to come
Him who slashed him has 2 older brothers, bother proper lunatics, the mar n dar are also loan sharks/dealers.... not saying they are involved in this likeI think so, mate.
According to the Sunderland Echo, lad slashes another lad who is later murdered. Looking on Facebook, the lad alleged to have done the slashing has a brother/cousin (both known to the law for drugs and other bits and pieces). That brother/cousin is Facebook friends with the lad (and the rest of his family, 'loads of 'em) found guilty of killing the lad who was slashed. Surely this means something in terms of what happened.
Less, been remanded which goes towards sentanceHe'll be out within 3 years.