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Joe Root


Never scored a test hundred in Australia. Looking forward to him notching up his first tonight. I think he'll go down a better test batsman than Kohli.
 
Jack Torrance said:
If England think Leach is the best spinner they have then he plays every test. He wasn’t the reason England were bowled out for 147 which is why we’re miles behind in the game
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It’s relative though surely?

We have a very good seam attack enough that we could leave Anderson and Broad out of the side and still have good seamers.

When Leach plays that means a very good bowler ( a better bowler than him is left out of the side)

There has to become a point if you best spinner is a poor spinner and you have very good seam bowlers that you consider leaving him out?

Especially when this side has Root who could turn his arm over.

You dead right of course he was not at fault for 147 all out, but going for over a 100 of the overs he bowled is horrendous figures for a test match and I certainly would not be against keeping the same seam attack as this test match adding Anderson to it and dropping Leach with Root been the spin option.

In fact personally think that the best way to go
 
Voice of fair play said:
It’s relative though surely?

We have a very good seam attack enough that we could leave Anderson and Broad out of the side and still have good seamers.

When Leach plays that means a very good bowler ( a better bowler than him is left out of the side)

There has to become a point if you best spinner is a poor spinner and you have very good seam bowlers that you consider leaving him out?

Especially when this side has Root who could turn his arm over.

You dead right of course he was not at fault for 147 all out, but going for over a 100 of the overs he bowled is horrendous figures for a test match and I certainly would not be against keeping the same seam attack as this test match adding Anderson to it and dropping Leach with Root been the spin option.

In fact personally think that the best way to go
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Depends if Stokes can bowl or not, if he can then we don’t need 5 quick bowlers. If England have any aspirations of becoming a top test side then they need a spinner
 
Fats said:
But it isn't a spinners pitch. He hadn't played any cricket whatsoever for three months. It made no sense whatsoever to play him.
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Brisbane has almost always been a spinners pitch on days 4 and 5. I think Warne has a better record there than anywhere else in the world. Scoring 147 in the first innings hasn’t helped but Leach might yet play a part.
 
Yeah make sure you do
brandon said:
Think you need to have a look at the meaning of the phrase, because if you think Stokes is a busted flush you clearly don’t understand it.
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Don’t think you can grasp what Im trying to say. The phrase is perfect. Look it up and even you will agree it suits.
 
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some nonsense on this thread like

same posters a few months ago slagging off root for not picking a spinner are now critcising him for picking a spinner

he had to pick a spinne in Australia like, you select a team for 5 days not just for the bit of grass on day 1.

Lyon proved that today

it was also the right decision to bat, we just did it poorly

I find this place frustrating as the exact same posters would have criticised him if we picked 4 seamers and got beat

just revionsim, and waiting till the game goes wrong then making judgements

they said absolutely nothing abot this at the toss :lol:
 
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Jack Torrance said:
Depends if Stokes can bowl or not, if he can then we don’t need 5 quick bowlers. If England have any aspirations of becoming a top test side then they need a spinner
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Well of course I agree fully, but surely that does not mean always picking a sub standard spinner.
The Rat said:
some nonsense on this thread like

same posters a few months ago slagging off root for not picking a spinner are now critcising him for picking a spinner

he had to pick a spinne in Australia like, you select a team for 5 days not just for the bit of grass on day 1.

Lyon proved that today

it was also the right decision to bat, we just did it poorly

I find this place frustrating as the exact same posters would have criticised him if we picked 4 seamers and got beat

just revionsim, and waiting till the game goes wrong then making judgements

they said absolutely nothing abot this at the toss :lol:
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Tbf mate, I have been banging the drum for a few years that all our spinners are poor, and picking one of our spinners means when we have a fully fit team, a excellent pace bowler is left out of the side to accommodate a poor spinner.

Of course we all realise a good side needs a specialist spinner ,and if England had a good spinner that would have always been the way to go.

However there comes a point if that side has poor spinners and very good pace bowlers and a batsman ( in this case Root who can bowl spin) there is a very good argument not to play that poor spinner.

I said in the summer before this series we should consider not playing a spinner simply because ours are sub standard and when fully fit squad we have a abundance of quality seam bowlers so it’s not with the benefit of hindsight after the game.
I also think and have said for years that both Leach and Bess getting selected has massively to do with Somerset preparing big spinning wickets for a few years where there took wickets that enhanced there capability.

I think the England set up know that too, hence them not playing in the summer, but are hamstrung due to lack of quality spinners hence them both getting game time.
 
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brandon said:
Stokes will end his career as one of England’s (if not world cricket’s) greatest ever allrounders. He’s 31, he’s still got some talent left to go yet.
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Ben Stokes is once in a generation cricketer.

Apart from him been very talented he is the one cricketer when the pressure is on and something is needed in them big moments in games that you want on your team!!
 
The Rat said:
some nonsense on this thread like

same posters a few months ago slagging off root for not picking a spinner are now critcising him for picking a spinner

he had to pick a spinne in Australia like, you select a team for 5 days not just for the bit of grass on day 1.

Lyon proved that today

it was also the right decision to bat, we just did it poorly

I find this place frustrating as the exact same posters would have criticised him if we picked 4 seamers and got beat

just revionsim, and waiting till the game goes wrong then making judgements

they said absolutely nothing abot this at the toss :lol:
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Gabba's a seamers wicket. Spin averages 53 there. Gary getting 4 wickets is as much an indictment on our batting.

I suspect Silverwood not Root picks the team.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Ben Stokes is once in a generation cricketer.

Apart from him been very talented he is the one cricketer when the pressure is on and something is needed in them big moments in games that you want on your team!!
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For sure but I can’t see him contributing much this series he likes miles away from match ready

Which isn’t his fault at all of course
 
brandon said:
Stokes will end his career as one of England’s (if not world cricket’s) greatest ever allrounders. He’s 31, he’s still got some talent left to go yet.
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brandon said:
Stokes will end his career as one of England’s (if not world cricket’s) greatest ever allrounders. He’s 31, he’s still got some talent left to go yet.
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Totally agree. But all I’m saying he’s past his best.But that’s only my opinion.
 
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If we do the figures for 2021 I bet were at least 4 times the Aussies.

Were coming from a place of already being shite. Having less prep in recent months only adds to us being shite.

My hope going into this series was at best a 4-1 to Australia so I will take any improvement on that.
 
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