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Grayson should not have been sacked

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one footed wonder said:
To repeat the start he made on this rebuild with those 10 signings was f***ing shocking

As for your pathetic attempt at fishing re fans showing a lack of respect for this division has contributed to relegation, well it isn't even worth a response
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The vast majority of posts on here after Grayson was sacked stated that he had taken a mid table squad to the relegation zone.

Anybody who thought this team was anything other than relegation fodder did not respect the championship.

I read many posts on here last summer suggesting that O'Shea and Cattermole would be strong players at this level; again lack of respect for the quality of the championship and the mental and physical qualaties required to compete in it.
 

123456789 said:
The vast majority of posts on here after Grayson was sacked stated that he had taken a mid table squad to the relegation zone.

Anybody who thought this team was anything other than relegation fodder did not respect the championship.

I read many posts on here last summer suggesting that O'Shea and Cattermole would be strong players at this level; again lack of respect for the quality of the championship and the mental and physical qualaties required to compete in it.
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He signed 12 if the fuckers man
 
Clive said:
What's your/his win ratio at this level?



I haven't noticed any 5-0 defeats for them this season.
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5th promotion coming to the championship this season.

What the heck are Leeds doing this year?
 
123456789 said:
The vast majority of posts on here after Grayson was sacked stated that he had taken a mid table squad to the relegation zone.

Anybody who thought this team was anything other than relegation fodder did not respect the championship.

I read many posts on here last summer suggesting that O'Shea and Cattermole would be strong players at this level; again lack of respect for the quality of the championship and the mental and physical qualaties required to compete in it.
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It was you who talked about promotion, Simon.
 
benizz said:
I agree with the OP in hindsight.

However we now have a proven international & premier league manager who also was a top player.

That's as good as I can expect at this present moment, no matter how bad results are. Because of what has happened before his time.
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Did I miss something??
When did we appoint this bloke?
 
Grayson was useless ,Coleman is never a manger of men in any capacity.

No leadership,tactics ,game plan .f***ing nowt.
 
one footed wonder said:
Seriously?!? Apparently he had a major rebuild job on his hands yet we are happy that only 2 out of his 10 signings contributed

Has he done any worse than others here, not really does that change the fact that in the main he brought in poor players that have contributed to the current state of play on the pitch, no it doesn't
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who out of colemans signings have improved the team? none.. yes none.. and im tired of hearing he had nowt to spend... neither did grayson..
 
123456789 said:
5th promotion coming to the championship this season.

What the heck are Leeds doing this year?
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Yeah, how's it going at Bradford?

What's your record there so far?

I thought you were a Leeds fan, oh hang on, there was that programme from the '80s where you said you were a Liverpool fan.

123456789 said:
5th promotion coming to the championship this season.

What the heck are Leeds doing this year?
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You didn't answer the question.
 
Mally Mackem said:
who out of colemans signings have improved the team? none.. yes none.. and im tired of hearing he had nowt to spend... neither did grayson..
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No signing will improve the team as football is a team game and Sunderland will NOT IMPROVE WHILE O"SHEA, KONE, CATTERMOLE, NDONG, GIBSON etc ARE INVOLVED.

And for the record Ndong was an absolute disgrace under Grayson, his performance v Bolton on 31 October one of the worst ever seen from a midfield player.

A dreadful version of Pogba.
 
123456789 said:
The vast majority of posts on here after Grayson was sacked stated that he had taken a mid table squad to the relegation zone.

Anybody who thought this team was anything other than relegation fodder did not respect the championship.

I read many posts on here last summer suggesting that O'Shea and Cattermole would be strong players at this level; again lack of respect for the quality of the championship and the mental and physical qualaties required to compete in it.
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This place is a tiny proportion of the wider Sunderland fan base but don't let that stop the generalisation of Sunderland fans.

I agree completely on the physical and mental qualities required in this league it is a f***ing tough league to get out of, always has been but in terms of ability, if you can get together a physically and mentally tough, organised side then you have a great chance of going up, you don't necessarily need a technically gifted side.......those running/managing and playing for the club have failed massively in all aspects and we are a shambles but that doesn't change the above.

Given your view on the qualities of the league i.e. technical, physical and mental can you honestly say that graysons 10 signings had those abilities? I don't think they did and as I keep getting told he was a 'proven' manager at this level I think he should have done much, much better

Mally Mackem said:
who out of colemans signings have improved the team? none.. yes none.. and im tired of hearing he had nowt to spend... neither did grayson..
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where did I say Colemans signings had improved the team, in fact I recognised no one else has done any better but we are talking about Grayson.
 
Grayson didn't look like he believed in making the team work, his constant changing also suggested as much. Coleman landed big on bravado and passion, but his constant reshuffling of systems midgame is mind boggling.

I'd rather we just played a different sport for 6 months, Catt's could be handy at hockey right?
 
123456789 said:
No signing will improve the team as football is a team game and Sunderland will NOT IMPROVE WHILE O"SHEA, KONE, CATTERMOLE, NDONG, GIBSON etc ARE INVOLVED.

And for the record Ndong was an absolute disgrace under Grayson, his performance v Bolton on 31 October one of the worst ever seen from a midfield player.

A dreadful version of Pogba.
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We would have won against Bolton that day if it hadn't been for N'Dong and if we had I reckon Larry would still be here and we wouldn't be bottom.
 
Clive said:
Yeah, how's it going at Bradford?

What's your record there so far?

I thought you were a Leeds fan, oh hang on, there was that programme from the '80s where you said you were a Liverpool fan.



You didn't answer the question.
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one footed wonder said:
This place is a tiny proportion of the wider Sunderland fan base but don't let that stop the generalisation of Sunderland fans.

I agree completely on the physical and mental qualities required in this league it is a f***ing tough league to get out of, always has been but in terms of ability, if you can get together a physically and mentally tough, organised side then you have a great chance of going up, you don't necessarily need a technically gifted side.......those running/managing and playing for the club have failed massively in all aspects and we are a shambles but that doesn't change the above.

Given your view on the qualities of the league i.e. technical, physical and mental can you honestly say that graysons 10 signings had those abilities? I don't think they did and as I keep getting told he was a 'proven' manager at this level I think he should have done much, much better
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Not a generalisation; many Sunderland fans thought this squad could compete.

Agree completely with everything else you say.

Grayson's signings were poor;

Steele confidence shot but not easy playing behind O'Shea and Kone who play for themselves in every single game.

Galloway, Williams and Wilson were ''panic signings''. Grayson didn't really want them but due to lack of funds and inability to sign anyone else/time running out he took a punt on them.

McGeady was a poor signing and I was surpised Grayson signed him for Sunderland; I was certain he'd go after Barkhuizen instead.

Vaughan has those attributes needed but it didn't work out.

However in defence of the those players it is very hard to play and settle in to a team where the senior and established players do not prepare themselves mentally for matches and when on the pitch play for themselves rather than the team; Kone, O'Shea and NDong in particular were a disgrace in games under Grayson, worthe remebering too that Grayson left O'Shea out and only brought him back in when no other option available, although I was surpised he did even then.

Sunderland did not and do not have a team mentally or physically able to compete in the championship.

Grayson's record and the teams he built at Leeds and Preston on meagre budgets suggest that despite a bad start he could have built a decent team at Sunderland given time.

Grabban would not have left if Grayson had stayed; would his goals have been enough to stay up.

Coleman has an impossible job.
 
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123456789 said:
Not a generalisation; many Sunderland fans thought this squad could compete.

Agree completely with everything else you say.

Grayson's signings were poor;

Steele confidence shot but not easy playing behind O'Shea and Kone who play for themselves in every single game.

Galloway, Williams and Wilson were ''panic signings''. Grayson didn't really want them but due to lack of funds and inability to sign anyone else/time running out he took a punt on them.

McGeady was a poor signing and I was surpised Grayson signed him for Sunderland; I was certain he'd go after Barkhuizen instead.

Vaughan has those attributes needed but it didn't work out.

However in defence of the those players it is very hard to play and settle in to a team where the senior and established players do not prepare themselves mentally for matches and when on the pitch play for themselves rather than the team; Kone, O'Shea and NDong in particular were a disgrace in games under Grayson, worthe remebering too that Grayson left O'Shea out and only brought him back in when no other option available, although I was surpised he did even then.

Sunderland did not and do not have a team mentally or physically able to compete in the championship.

Grayson's record and the teams he built at Leeds and Preston on meagre budgets suggest that despite a bad start he could have built a decent team at Sunderland given time.

Grabban would not have left if Grayson had stayed; would his goals have been enough to stay up.

Coleman has an impossible job.
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What's your excuse for Steele last season
 
Whatever the agenda of the OP, some of what he says is true. Coleman hasn't done any better with mostly the same set of players. It's now kind of absurd to think that Grayson was peddled after a 3-3 draw against Bolton, a team now relatively comfortable in the league. On current form that would be one of our better results.

What I have to wonder, however, is what Coleman might have done if he'd been able to bring in the same amount of players as Grayson, and also had a longer period - inc. pre-season - with them. Coleman at least brought some confidence and determination in to try and change the mind-set of failure. He hasn't achieved it yet but I never felt for a second that Grayson would be strong enough to have tackled some of the issues in the first place.

The decline under Moyes only sped up further under Grayson - he looked out of his depth from day one. I don't believe any of us are crying any real tears for him.
 
123456789 said:
Not a generalisation; many Sunderland fans thought this squad could compete.

Agree completely with everything else you say.

Grayson's signings were poor;

Steele confidence shot but not easy playing behind O'Shea and Kone who play for themselves in every single game.

Galloway, Williams and Wilson were ''panic signings''. Grayson didn't really want them but due to lack of funds and inability to sign anyone else/time running out he took a punt on them.

McGeady was a poor signing and I was surpised Grayson signed him for Sunderland; I was certain he'd go after Barkhuizen instead.

Vaughan has those attributes needed but it didn't work out.

However in defence of the those players it is very hard to play and settle in to a team where the senior and established players do not prepare themselves mentally for matches and when on the pitch play for themselves rather than the team; Kone, O'Shea and NDong in particular were a disgrace in games under Grayson, worthe remebering too that Grayson left O'Shea out and only brought him back in when no other option available, although I was surpised he did even then.

Sunderland did not and do not have a team mentally or physically able to compete in the championship.

Grayson's record and the teams he built at Leeds and Preston on meagre budgets suggest that despite a bad start he could have built a decent team at Sunderland given time.

Grabban would not have left if Grayson had stayed; would his goals have been enough to stay up.

Coleman has an impossible job.
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Agree with the physicality aspect, however Graysons signing did little to address this.
 
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