Wearside Wanderer II
Striker
Getting a bit 'muddy', all the open meetings. Nothing, coming out.
Stamp your feet mate, demand answers.
Or you could just wait until 7/8/9 different organisations agree on the wording?
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Getting a bit 'muddy', all the open meetings. Nothing, coming out.
I get the process and I know you were asked rather than pushed but I’m uncomfortable with the thought of tidying the minute to give an interpretation . I don’t think you are spinning it however I think the ownership have given different nuances to the same questions since season end . The top line position on the financial position given by CM on the podcast differs slightly to the one he gave to ALS. I may feel less uncomfortable if there is clarity as to when Madrox will put the PP in . I don’t think Donald saying when the club needs it is enough . I hope that was raised and answered . I’m not asking you to divulge thoughIt's something I've been asked to do by the chairman of RAWA. It's not a matter of spin, but making sure that what was said is put out accurately, with no more jargon than is necessary.
I get the process and I know you were asked rather than pushed but I’m uncomfortable with the thought of tidying the minute to give an interpretation . I don’t think you are spinning it however I think the ownership have given different nuances to the same questions since season end . The top line position on the financial position given by CM on the podcast differs slightly to the one he gave to ALS. I may feel less uncomfortable if there is clarity as to when Madrox will put the PP in . I don’t think Donald saying when the club needs it is enough . I hope that was raised and answered . I’m not asking you to divulge though
Fortnight now & more interviews being pushed out by the club today in advance of this all being released.
Problems agreeing the content maybe?
Fair points.Are these open and honest meetings now becoming a bit more 'closed shop' and the agenda been engineered and driven by Sunderland and not the RAWA? Is this wait focussing around items that they dont want us to hear? I find it incredible that it takes over 2 weeks to write the minutes up of an open and honest Q&A
The less grey matter is a concern - it matters.Give ova man, most on here couldn’t agree on the colour of bacon.
Put in dafty terms. We have all seen how
Much someone’s opinion is now fact. The less grey area the better for the fanny flappers on here
Are these open and honest meetings now becoming a bit more 'closed shop' and the agenda been engineered and driven by Sunderland and not the RAWA? Is this wait focussing around items that they dont want us to hear? I find it incredible that it takes over 2 weeks to write the minutes up of an open and honest Q&A
The minutes often get approved at the next meeting. There needs to be agreement to a quicker turn around not attrition.That’s basically what it is. To make sure we haven’t made anything up, twisted their words, etc... I’m led to believe this happens in all official meeting.
Are these open and honest meetings now becoming a bit more 'closed shop' and the agenda been engineered and driven by Sunderland and not the RAWA? Is this wait focussing around items that they dont want us to hear? I find it incredible that it takes over 2 weeks to write the minutes up of an open and honest Q&A
It doesn't normally but presumably this is a little bit more in depth, especially after several crossed wires from initial press conferences to Daily Mail articles and podcasts etc.
Are these open and honest meetings now becoming a bit more 'closed shop' and the agenda been engineered and driven by Sunderland and not the RAWA? Is this wait focussing around items that they dont want us to hear? I find it incredible that it takes over 2 weeks to write the minutes up of an open and honest Q&A
The minutes often get approved at the next meeting. There needs to be agreement to a quicker turn around not attrition.
My point was in relation to meetings in general. A cross party meeting where members are concerned about politics may be different. Hopefully, moving forward, you can push for a speedy turnaround.No.
They don’t. They get agreed once all parties have read through them, and can be retyped to make sense.
I can guarantee you nothing is changed to suit the club, otherwise I wouldn’t be involved.
Folk have also gotta remember all reps for the RAWA are volunteers, who obviously have their own lives going on at the same time.
From my understanding, they’ve been with the club a while now, but Chris Waters is on leave, so that may be holding things up.
@Ghandi Floss and @Grumpy Old Man thats fair enough and thanks for the replys, my concern is tho that the minutes that are written up from a meeting dont usually need to be agreed, this is why im suggesting a closed shop. I sit on a lot if meetings and the minutes get sent out to all concerned with nothing ommitted for whatever reason, as the RAWA are representing the fans we should get to see everything that is said whether it be good or bad hence been open and honest
@Ghandi Floss and @Grumpy Old Man thats fair enough and thanks for the replys, my concern is tho that the minutes that are written up from a meeting dont usually need to be agreed, this is why im suggesting a closed shop. I sit on a lot if meetings and the minutes get sent out to all concerned with nothing ommitted for whatever reason, as the RAWA are representing the fans we should get to see everything that is said whether it be good or bad hence been open and honest
No minutes are ever a verbatim account of what happens - they rather need to summarise the key points raised and actions to be taken. The Sunderland Collective Meeting (to give the official name) isn't like a committee or board meeting involving members of a single entity; it's essentially collegiate in nature with attendees representing the club and five different supporters' groups, and will then have a wider circulation than that. That's why the minutes need to be agreed before release. That should actually provide insurance against omission, simply because so many people, with different approaches, need to agree on the wording. You'll need to take my word for it, but the draft I've seen is an accurate reflection of what was said in the meeting.
You'll need to take my word for it, but the draft I've seen is an accurate reflection of what was said in the meeting.
This is what I'm concerned about though, no doubting you're correct, but why is it taking the club so long to ok it? From what you've said previously, they've no real veto over anything unless it's factually inaccurate.
And as I say I fear they may be making a lot of it "old news" with the media stuff they've hurried to do since.