East Coast line to be taken back into public ownership again

Discussion in 'SMB' started by Flared Hicks, May 16, 2018.

  1. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    Did you miss the ‘whole lot besides’ comment?

    Network rail manage some stations, operators manage others.

    The truth is you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about and you’re hosting some ill informed commentary out there
     
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  2. pavarotti1980

    pavarotti1980 Midfield

    I don't know what? If you mean subsidies it was £1billion between virgin arriva and one other operator
     
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  3. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin Winger

    So the Government will accept fees that they know are impossible to meet time and time again and it's the fault of the companies?

    If it's a public service let the best company run it for free as it's the public who should be benefitting from it.
     
  4. pavarotti1980

    pavarotti1980 Midfield

    Virgin provided assurances it was viable. If they can't add up then they shouldn't be in the business
     
  5. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    What you’re talking about. :lol:
     
  6. pavarotti1980

    pavarotti1980 Midfield

    And which bit is wrong then?
     
  7. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin Winger

    The Government shouldn't be so greedy.

    The franchise model is the problem. Not the private companies.
     
  8. Forty

    Forty Central Defender

    The 3 operators who ran East Coast seemed to think the fees were acceptable, when they first took out the franchises.
     
  9. If you can so, then you shouldn’t so, is my point so
     
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  10. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    All of it
     
  11. Wilfy

    Wilfy Striker

    Last time the ECML was in public ownership, it put £1.2bn into the treasury. Stagecoach and Virgin bid more than the franchise was worth but it’s the publics problem? They should be made to pay the franchise cost.
     
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  12. Brian Griffin

    Brian Griffin Winger

    So the Gov should have done some duedil and said no.
     
  13. Wilfy

    Wilfy Striker

    Or the operators shouldn’t try and take the piss.
     
  14. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    The system as it stands is simply one of asking private operators to own the risk of providing services. Sometimes those operators make a profit, other times they don’t and hand back a franchise at the first opportunity.

    It costs a lot of money to provide services in the arse end of Scotland and Wales
     
  15. Wilfy

    Wilfy Striker

    But the ECML was handed back without penalty. They should have been made to run it for a lot longer.
     
  16. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    I agree...seems nonsensical.

    The only other operators I can think of who could take it on are Arriva, First, Go Ahead or National Express and I’d be surprised if they do as it sounds like a poisoned chalice
     
  17. andy

    andy Winger

    Is it the unions fault yet?
     
  18. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    That said, the DfT insert a lot of clauses and conditions so every operator will insert some of their own to limit exposure
     
  19. pavarotti1980

    pavarotti1980 Midfield

    Ah there was me thinking you quote and say why
     
  20. Boris Bear

    Boris Bear Striker

    I’m up for that...you quote some facts and so will I
     

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