East Coast line to be taken back into public ownership again

This has them as 8th: Who owns England?

The Minister for Transport as them as 4th: Jo Johnson on Twitter

Some rail mag has them as 4th: DfT launches review as Network Rail told to stop axing trees this season

The Government has them as 4th: Rail Minister launches review of tree cutting alongside rail lines

I'm going to be quietly confident they're somwhere around 4th.
55000 hectares(just under 136000 acres)
https://cdn.networkrail.co.uk/wp-co...-Rail-Property-Open-for-Business-brochure.pdf
So outside the top 10.
 


This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:
 
If you sold the infrastructure - rails, locos, land - to a private company they'd have zero bother running it.

It's the fact we try and get greedy and want companies to rent it of the public purse.

Interesting fact, Network Rail is the third largest landowner in the UK.
Can you just remind us how well Railtrack did when they were responsible for the infrastructure? I seem to remember it being a bit of a clusterf*ck and had to be transferred back into public in the guise of Network Rail.......

Maybe we should repeat this another couple of times just to cement the realisation that it definitely doesnt work in the hands of pricate companies
 
Can you just remind us how well Railtrack did when they were responsible for the infrastructure? I seem to remember it being a bit of a clusterf*ck and had to be transferred back into public in the guise of Network Rail.......

Maybe we should repeat this another couple of times just to cement the realisation that it definitely doesnt work in the hands of pricate companies
Didn’t carillion maintain a lot of track...,
 
This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:
This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:

A bit of a generalisation here like. What about all the successful franchises? Arriva (a successful Sunderland company) are successfully operating Northern, Chiltern, Cross Country, Wales, London and Grand Central, as well as Services in 13 other countries.

DfT rules require that they make investments in infrastructure so the government doesn’t have to.

This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:
This will be the 3rd time in just over a decade that the public sector has had to pick up the pieces due to another failed franchise. I dont care how much the government gives themselves to run the service. How many times does it have to do this before they just decide to sack it off and do it themselves? We have no proven beyond doubt that the major operators are clueless from the point of tendering to delivering their so called promises and then disappearing off leaving everyone else to sort out the mess.

Nice to see they have now started in some part to implement bits of the Labour manifesto though :lol::lol:

A bit of a generalisation here like. What about all the successful franchises? Arriva (a successful Sunderland company) are successfully operating Northern, Chiltern, Cross Country, Wales, London and Grand Central, as well as Services in 13 other countries.

DfT rules require that they make investments in infrastructure so the government doesn’t have to.
 
If you sold the infrastructure - rails, locos, land - to a private company they'd have zero bother running it.

It's the fact we try and get greedy and want companies to rent it of the public purse.

Interesting fact, Network Rail is the third largest landowner in the UK.
If your idea was so good why do the French and German states run the infrastructure.
 
A bit of a generalisation here like. What about all the successful franchises? Arriva (a successful Sunderland company) are successfully operating Northern, Chiltern, Cross Country, Wales, London and Grand Central, as well as Services in 13 other countries.

DfT rules require that they make investments in infrastructure so the government doesn’t have to.




A bit of a generalisation here like. What about all the successful franchises? Arriva (a successful Sunderland company) are successfully operating Northern, Chiltern, Cross Country, Wales, London and Grand Central, as well as Services in 13 other countries.

DfT rules require that they make investments in infrastructure so the government doesn’t have to.
And absolutely nothing to do with the east coast mainline. What does arriva regional have to do with National Express and VTEC handing back franchises?

Network Rail manage infrastructure. They are a public body
 
And absolutely nothing to do with the east coast mainline. What does arriva regional have to do with National Express and VTEC handing back franchises?

Network Rail manage infrastructure. They are a public body
Because you’re generalising.

Franchise operators manage infrastructure too...and if you listen to Grayling he wants franchise operators to take responsibility for track-side infrastructure too. I don’t think you do listen to anyone though as you seem largely uninformed about the industry
 

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