Dawson @ PaddyPower, Open Letter To Short

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Father Jack Hackett said:
Clubs who didn't bring in 16 players for an average of £90k each you mean? Clubs that didn't lose almost anyone capable of kicking a ball straight from the previous season?
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We didn't need to bring in 16 players. Are you seriously suggesting we started the season in a worse position than Burton, Bolton and Millwall? The first two spent nowt so their players averaged £ok each and Millwall spent under half what we did on a team that finished last season 6th in league one.
 


martin_s_buckley said:
That squad had more than enough talent in it to finish top half. The simple fact is that the senior players have become accustomed to being rewarded handsomely for failure, and don't have the desire to put in 100% effort any more. Their cancerous attitude affects the rest of the squad who see far more talented players effectively downing tools. The young ones cant win games on their own because its 6 or 7 v 11 every week. The fans are used to failure now, and the stadium on match-day is a depressing place to be - Darren Bent said this after last Saturday. You have 5 players who cant be arsed and 6 younger players who need those 5 to support them v 11 bang average, but gutsy footballers. That is why we've been turned over by Barnsley, Burton, Ipswich, Brentford, Preston, Bolton, Birmingham etc, none of whom have players with the talent that some of our squad have, but choose not to display.

Until this cancer is cut from the club totally, there will continue to be a losing mentality.

Every single one of the Allardyce squad bar Watmore needs to be disposed of.
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^Probably as clueless as it gets. ^
 
WHD said:
Strange how other clubs finished miles ahead of us and spent less. It's almost like the transfer budget wasn't the main problem.
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Not strange at all that other clubs with squads that didn't have a losing mentality finished predictably above us.
 
DJM said:
Not strange at all that other clubs with squads that didn't have a losing mentality finished predictably above us.
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More bollocks statements. Teams that finished near the bottom of the championship last season with losing mentalities finished well above us and teams that were relegated from the premier league last season with losing mentalities finished well above us.

A "losing mentality" is just another excuse for the manager when it is up to him to get rid of this mentality.
 
Ale taster said:
You're right of course, let's start yet another season by appointing yet another manager late in the transfer window, as he tries to assess his inherited squad we'll tout the players around to any interested parties in a fund raising effort, whilst the transfer window (in which he'll be given no support anyway) slams shut.
Then let's play Celtic again.
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Appoint one next week then. What you're saying is not a valid enough reason to stick with the tit we have in place now.
 
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WHD said:
You're deluded mate. The team hasn't been good enough, no argument. The players with better guidance could have done better.


I do think a settled team is important, which is why I don't agree with the opinion on here that we need to get rid of most of the team next season and start again.
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Based on what? Sorry mate, many have taken the guidance of three managers now. I appreciate the manager is far from blameless but he cannot be blamed for individual errors, of which there have been too many.

We are bottom of the table, relegated with two games left to play in a league short of quality. Our players are not good enough.
 
WHD said:
Strange how other clubs finished miles ahead of us and spent less. It's almost like the transfer budget wasn't the main problem.
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That's a patently ridiculous statement as you well know. What you spend has to be related to what you already had. Given that we had a financial imperative to move players on high wages out of the club on loan at the very least, we could have spent maybe 6,7 million on a few players to fill the gaps, maybe kept Vito instead of signing a load of utter dross in net. Spent wisely (not something we've managed often, admittedly) that would have been enough to have not gone down and surely, surely would have been better than falling to league 1 in terms of sustainability and renewal.
 
Hamwise said:
That's a patently ridiculous statement as you well know. What you spend has to be related to what you already had. Given that we had a financial imperative to move players on high wages out of the club on loan at the very least, we could have spent maybe 6,7 million on a few players to fill the gaps, maybe kept Vito instead of signing a load of utter dross in net. Spent wisely (not something we've managed often, admittedly) that would have been enough to have not gone down and surely, surely would have been better than falling to league 1 in terms of sustainability and renewal.
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I've listed 3 clubs, two that were in league one last season (Bolton and Millwall), and one that narrowly avoided relegation to league one last season (after promotion from that league the season before) and whose team is made up entirely of free transfers (Burton). We weren't in a worse starting position than these three clubs in the summer.

gipetto said:
Based on what? Sorry mate, many have taken the guidance of three managers now. I appreciate the manager is far from blameless but he cannot be blamed for individual errors, of which there have been too many.

We are bottom of the table, relegated with two games left to play in a league short of quality. Our players are not good enough.
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How many current internationals do we have in the squad? The squad isn't brilliant by any means, but it is better (with good management) than bottom of the championship, 4 points below Burton Albion.
 
WHD said:
I've listed 3 clubs, two that were in league one last season (Bolton and Millwall), and one that narrowly avoided relegation to league one last season (after promotion from that league the season before) and whose team is made up entirely of free transfers (Burton). We weren't in a worse starting position than these three clubs in the summer.
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We were though. You need a strategy and a good few years to bring together a functional team, we've had the opposite.

As for Burton, Liam Boyce cost more than any player we've bought this season.
 
Nipple Salad said:
We were though. You need a strategy and a good few years to bring together a functional team, we've had the opposite.
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You think Bolton had a strategy? They had a transfer embargo until last summer. It's up to the manager to come up with a strategy anyway.

Sorry, that isn't a good enough excuse for finishing bottom of the championship.

Nipple Salad said:
As for Burton, Liam Boyce cost more than any player we've bought this season.
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How much?
 
People trying to say we only lost 2 players from the end of last season because we only sold 2 players (for c£31m) in the summer need to think a bit harder...

We actually lost something like 22 players from last season. Basically an entire first team and bench.

We then replaced them for £1.2m, only actually paying for 3 players and one of those we then sold again.

Even David Moyes shower of shit team would have stayed up easily in this league.

We are relegated due to Bain and Short club management, it's pretty simple really.
 
Nipple Salad said:
We were though. You need a strategy and a good few years to bring together a functional team, we've had the opposite.

As for Burton, Liam Boyce cost more than any player we've bought this season.
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Let's not forget Neil Harris has been manager at Milwall for five years, Phil Parkinson at Bolton for two.
Yet @WHD wants Coleman out after 5 months.
No way.
 
Black Cat Gypsy said:
It's the years of mismanagement from Ellis Short. Other clubs didn't spend £4.3m on agent fees. That's how they did it.
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I wonder how many agent fees we paid when Short appointed his sons best mates father as direct of football, who funnily enough was an agent himself.

Or how much we have paid in interest to that nice big "unattached" American Loan company.

The amount of money we must have spent outside of "transfer" fees will be huge.
 
Ale taster said:
Let's not forget Neil Harris has been manager at Milwall for five years
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No he hasn't.

Ale taster said:
Phil Parkinson at Bolton for two.
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He took over Bolton after relegation from the championship and got them instant promotion. It's not comparable. Maybe Bolton should have stuck with Neil Lennon?

Ale taster said:
Yet @WHD wants Coleman out after 5 months.
No way.
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Yeah, after he's lead us to relegation and rock bottom of the championship, relegated of all teams by Burton Albion at home.

He's f***ing shit and we'll go nowhere next season if he's still in charge.
 
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The Rat said:
We didn't really dismantle our squad like did we.
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Pickford - Everton
Mannone - Reading
Defoe - Bournemouth
Ancihebe - Beijing Enterprise
Larsson - Hull City
Borini - AC Milan
Lens - Besiktas
Kharzi - Rennes
Djilobodji - Dijon
Buckley - Bolton
Pienaar - Released
Kirchhoff - Released
Lescott - Released

Januzaj return to Man U
Manquillo returned to Atletico
Denayer returned to Man City
 
Black Cat Gypsy said:
Pickford - Everton
Mannone - Reading
Defoe - Bournemouth
Ancihebe - Beijing Enterprise
Larsson - Hull City
Borini - AC Milan
Lens - Besiktas
Kharzi - Rennes
Djilobodji - Dijon
Buckley - Bolton
Pienaar - Released
Kirchhoff - Released
Lescott - Released

Januzaj return to Man U
Manquillo returned to Atletico
Denayer returned to Man City
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How many were key players last season?
 
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