Mackem00
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Eh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.Yeah, but the EFL can't make any decisions without the approval of the clubs, it's not independent
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Eh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.Yeah, but the EFL can't make any decisions without the approval of the clubs, it's not independent
Ah that would make senseDoes this not refer to a previous season when Lampard was at Derby and they made the playoffs?
I don't blame Wycombe at all for the way they were promoted or their grievance with Derby.Aye but the EFL could have had the foresight when Covid was first kicking off to get something agreed. It's pathetic asking clubs to agree something at that late stage in the season when they all knew how it would harm / benefit them. Once it got to the late stage that it did, there should have been an agreement that the EFL (who have access to financial information about the clubs) would judge which clubs actually couldn't afford to continue. Either way I think blaming Wycombe is harsh, again if we were in their position whereby we'd be in the play offs on ppg but were on a bad run and at great risk of missing out if the season completed, I think many of our fans would want us to do the same. Some wouldn't, some would want to maintain the integrity of the league etc but I reckon a majority would be saying that our club should vote in our interests so it feels churlish to blame Wycombe for doing exactly that
It is, even if it's not supposed to beEh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.
So basically every club in the world then?While I’m not sure about the suing, especially boro there is definitely an argument that they finished where they did because Derby cheated. Paying what they couldn’t really pay to get players that helped them finish higher.
Surely Villa cheated by extension by beating Derby then as they should have been playing one of Leeds or Boro and we should relegate them too and reset back to the moment this playoff happened and wipe history?If Boro have a claim, then surely Leeds do as well. Derby beat Leeds in the play offs. Who’s to say Leeds wouldn’t have beat Boro then Villa and went up? It’s ridiculous.
Wycombes claim, fair enough.
Sadly it is. The EFL is a fucked up entity. Hence Wycombe voting to promote themselvesEh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.
The bigger issue with Wycombe and how they got promoted was they were very vocal about it being too unsafe to play, yet were happy to play 3 playoff games. If they were that opposed to playing as it was so unsafe, P3 should have been promoted automatically and the playoffs scrappedI don't blame Wycombe at all for the way they were promoted or their grievance with Derby.
That's my point, the EFL isn't independent so you have clubs arguing against each other which delays decisions until a consensus can be formed with everyone looking out for their own interest. The EFL can't just say 'this is what is happening'.
It is, even if it's not supposed to be
And Derby were punished in "a system agreed by the EFL". You win some, you lose someI think you'll find that most Wycombe fans do support this compensation claim, myself included. That seems to be the consensus on the Gasroom and Twitter.
As you say, Morris admitted in a BBC interview that he deliberately didn't submit their accounts (which they knew failed FFP) by the EFL deadline, purely because it would have relegated them instead of us. If Sunderland were in Wycombe's position you guys would be absolutely fuming too - it's disgraceful.
No-one wants to see Derby liquidated, but we're pursuing a compensation claim which has a decent basis, and I think Rob is doing the right thing here. I'm sure an agreement will be reached in the end. Please don't start talking about PPG and how we shouldn't have been there in the first place. I can't be bothered to go over those arguments again, but the fact is we were in the Championship under a system agreed to by the EFL and the vast majority of clubs. How we got there has absolutely no relevance to the Derby case anyway
Wycombe didn't vote to promote themselves.Sadly it is. The EFL is a fucked up entity. Hence Wycombe voting to promote themselves
Worked for them last time !Wycombe will now probably be immediately promoted.
Exactly. We still had to win the playoffs. And we were inside the playoff places (4th place actually) after the last match we played that season against Doncaster. A few teams overtook us the next weekend when we had our bye week (due to Bury's liquidation), hence the game-in-hand and the ultimate PPG dramaWycombe didn't vote to promote themselves.
People loose their livelihood everyday because the firm they work for goes tits up, in many if not most cases this is down to poor management, sod all that can be done.
Could argue that if Derby get away with it, will give the green light to other clubs to play fast and loose
Levels of debt in the Championship are horrendous, as the lure of the premier league beckons.I think the whole league system needs looking at. Probably need a two division PL, think the parachute payment is really unfair on the rest of the championship (and beyond)
Everything was delayed because Steve Gibson and Morris went to war, points would have been deducted much sooner if It hadn't got personal between those two. I've not seen anything where Morris has told the BBC he delayed things to get Wycombe relegated either, sounds like a pile of shit to me. Maybe They should be claiming money from Reading who took points off them and themselves got points deducted. The period Derby overspent was before Wycombe were even in the Championship anyway I believe. Maybe they should sue Gibson for delaying the EFL's punishment until it fucked them up. Anyway with 2 weeks till my club goes bust I couldn't give a fuck about Wycombe to be honestOur claim, just so you know, is because after the season had finished Mel Morris admitted in an interview that he delayed getting the finances in on time on purpose, as he knew that would then mean that Derby were deducted points this season rather than last, so they would stay up instead of us, so they could then claim the 6 million TV money. That's what prompted our claim, unfortunately its a bit of an American thing I think, like our owner. Like I say most of us don't want it, we went down because we ddnt get enough points. You'll find quite a few Derby fans actually think we have more of a claim than Boro, who's claim is ridiculous. Derby have been cheating horrendously for years, and the fans were quite happy to put up with it while Morris was there. But I do not want them to go bust over it
Don’t Derby have until the end of the month to find a buyer or the EFL may have to remove them from the league?
Our CEO, who has just left for the PL, after we were relegated said he was astounded at the amount of backstabbing and 'grassing' that is going on in the Championship, with clubs literally falling over themselves to try and get other clubs in trouble. After what we are seeing here, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. It hurts me to the core that there is no solidarity amongst clubs in what is a fake landscape of PP's and FFP. Literally any club could fall foul of this and i'm half expecting my club to be in trouble over the next few seasons.Everything was delayed because Steve Gibson and Morris went to war, points would have been deducted much sooner if It hadn't got personal between those two. I've not seen anything where Morris has told the BBC he delayed things to get Wycombe relegated either, sounds like a pile of shit to me. Maybe They should be claiming money from Reading who took points off them and themselves got points deducted. The period Derby overspent was before Wycombe were even in the Championship anyway I believe. Maybe they should sue Gibson for delaying the EFL's punishment until it fucked them up. Anyway with 2 weeks till my club goes bust I couldn't give a fuck about Wycombe to be honest
Here we go againPeople loose their livelihood everyday because the firm they work for goes tits up, in many if not most cases this is down to poor management, sod all that can be done.
Could argue that if Derby get away with it, will give the green light to other clubs to play fast and loose
Levels of debt in the Championship are horrendous, as the lure of the premier league beckons.I think the whole league system needs looking at. Probably need a two division PL, think the parachute payment is really unfair on the rest of the championship (and beyond)
Why? Derby cheated and Boro didn’t. There has to be some repercussions surely?Pretty low trick from Boro mind. Expected better from Gibson.
I believe it’s for the season before last, where Derby got to the play off final by spending more than they had and gambling. Funny if they won that game against Villa these problems probably wouldn’t of even come to fruition.Boro finished 10th last season - 13 points off the playoff places and with 25 goals worse goal difference than 6th place Bournemouth
I don't understand what their angle is - how did Derby affect that?
Doubt Leeds will be bothered as they went up the year after. If they were still languishing in the championship you could bet your bottom dollar they’d be claiming foul play, especially after the spygate stuff.If Boro have a claim, then surely Leeds do as well. Derby beat Leeds in the play offs. Who’s to say Leeds wouldn’t have beat Boro then Villa and went up? It’s ridiculous.
Wycombes claim, fair enough.
If there's a vote, Wycombe will be right in there!!Wycombe will now probably be immediately promoted.