BBC female presenters demanding action on pay

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General Zod said:
I'm not a massive fan of Evans but he does get in around 9.5m listeners on radio 2. Lauren Laverne gets about 850k listeners on radio 6. Evans earns a much higher absolute salary but his salary per listner is a lot less. It would be wrong to suggest Evans & Laverne do the same job because even though they are radio presenters they present on different shows & bring in different audiences. They are both overpaid for what they do in my opinion
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Evans' pay last year was inflated by the Top Gear fiasco, so not just for his radio stuff.
 


Edinburgh Black Cat said:
"Household names including presenters Clare Balding, Victoria Derbyshire and Angela Rippon"

I've never heard of the last two.

If they're not as high profile then they'll not get as much.

And Chris Evans should be binned, complete fud and a waste of money.
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One of the Janeys made Victoria D famous.

Silksworth Lad said:
Be interesting to know whether the Sky Sports News eye candy gets paid at the same rate as Jim White...
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He does TalkShite in the morning then Sky - must be rolling in it.
 
General Zod said:
I'm not a massive fan of Evans but he does get in around 9.5m listeners on radio 2. Lauren Laverne gets about 850k listeners on radio 6. Evans earns a much higher absolute salary but his salary per listner is a lot less. It would be wrong to suggest Evans & Laverne do the same job because even though they are radio presenters they present on different shows & bring in different audiences. They are both overpaid for what they do in my opinion
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If Evans is still on £2m+ a year even through he's not doing Top Gear any more, the BBC needs to rethink its pay strategy
 
Two presenters on the same show should be paid the same tbf

Comparing lineker and balding is daft though. She would never present a show that pulls in the ratings lineker does do to the nature of the sports shows they present
 
mcq10 said:
Two presenters on the same show should be paid the same tbf

Comparing lineker and balding is daft though. She would never present a show that pulls in the ratings lineker does do to the nature of the sports shows they present
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Balding doesn't even do that much on the BBC. Evans is on the most listened to radio show every morning and presented arguably one of the BBC's biggest shows worldwide.

Why wouldn't he be paid more the Balding or any other female presenter?
 
Reduce the male pay. The fact Lineker, for example, gets paid so much for having such little charisma is obscene.
 
I don't understand the argument that because x programme isn't as popular a person shouldn't be paid as much. The job is the same, if the content they're presenting is more popular so be it.

That goes for men & women. As plenty of people have said, no-one watches MOTD to listen to Linekar.
 
Must admit it's deliciously excruciating listening to/watching the affected presenters trying to debate the subject with impartiality when you know some of them will be feeling vitriolic as hell towards some of their colleagues.
 
wigwams said:
You mustn't watch or listen to the beeb much if you don't know the last two tbf. The latter has been on tv and radio about 30 year at a guess
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Closer to 50 years. TBH, I'm not sure I'd expect anyone under 35 to necessarily have heard of her.

With regard to the pay issue, they're not just talking about the high end of the BBC pay scale but across the BBC as an entire organisation.
 
hypersonic said:
I don't understand the argument that because x programme isn't as popular a person shouldn't be paid as much. The job is the same, if the content they're presenting is more popular so be it.

That goes for men & women. As plenty of people have said, no-one watches MOTD to listen to Linekar.
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Tbf two bankers or call centre monkeys do the same job but their wage slips will differ based on performance. If ratings are a measure of performance then it's not a bad argument.
 
hypersonic said:
I don't understand the argument that because x programme isn't as popular a person shouldn't be paid as much. The job is the same, if the content they're presenting is more popular so be it.

That goes for men & women. As plenty of people have said, no-one watches MOTD to listen to Linekar.
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Performan related pay?
 
Some Random Guy said:
Tbf two bankers or call centre monkeys do the same job but their wage slips will differ based on performance. If ratings are a measure of performance then it's not a bad argument.
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The performance of the programme and the performance of the presenter don't always go hand in hand though, as shown by letting the potato and Mrs Lampard leave the one show and it being very easy to find two other smiley people to sit on a sofa and say "And now Giles at the turnip carving in Norwich..."

There are also measures of the job that presenter is doing. Obviously MOTD is a popular show but it's not that hard to read the autocue and then ask Shearer what he thought of the game, compared to some of the political presenters on a Sunday who are really on the ball and ask tough questions of our politicians, in front of much smaller audiences. And the latter are arguably doing a more important job.
 
Cockney Mackem said:
The performance of the programme and the performance of the presenter don't always go hand in hand though, as shown by letting the potato and Mrs Lampard leave the one show and it being very easy to find two other smiley people to sit on a sofa and say "And now Giles at the turnip carving in Norwich..."

There are also measures of the job that presenter is doing. Obviously MOTD is a popular show but it's not that hard to read the autocue and then ask Shearer what he thought of the game, compared to some of the political presenters on a Sunday who are really on the ball and ask tough questions of our politicians, in front of much smaller audiences. And the latter are arguably doing a more important job.
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Exactly, the difficulty of their job is not usually related to the quality or popularity of the show they're working on.
 
Cockney Mackem said:
If Evans is still on £2m+ a year even through he's not doing Top Gear any more, the BBC needs to rethink its pay strategy
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Is it the exact interpretation of 'equal pay for equal work' that's the problem here? Whatever you think of whatever 'TV personality' a factor in what they re paid is their marketability, regardless of gender.... and their agents negotiating ability. Anybody who's observed Bebe Glazer on Frasier knows that!

One could debate the reasoning behind, for example, Claudia Winkleman getting paid less than Jonathan Ross was ...for the exact same programme about films - (if she is/was) but that doesn't account for his other work (when with the Beeb) or hers on Strictly etc etc. One could debate why Chris Evans gets paid sooo much more than, say, Sara Cox, for doing a much worse job on breakfast radio - but that's personal taste. One could debate why Alex Jones get's paid more than Matt Baker (is that his name?) for the One Show - when he does Countryfile, the gymnastics, rides a tricycle for charity and wrestles with bears in Alaska as well.

So how about they all get the same basic contractual pay rate? Then a performance related element based on how many hours they appear on screen in any given performance period. Then a factor based upon how many people watch them. The 'arts' and 'serious journalistic' types might get less money that Mel and Sue and some crap performers would make more than some really good ones... but then if people demand a simplistic solution to a complex set of circumstances and criteria, and sign letters to the press to demand action on something, any action, NOW!...they should anticipate a less than perfect outcome.
 
Lexingtongue said:
Reduce the male pay. The fact Lineker, for example, gets paid so much for having such little charisma is obscene.
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Lineker was a excellent footballer so has respect of the footballing world. Also does the odd decent documentary. Sky will pay a lot more to Neville and Caragher.
 
Easy way to discover someone's worth is to place a 200k pay cap on BBC salaries and let the commercial companies fight over those who think they are entitled to higher wages.
 
hypersonic said:
I don't understand the argument that because x programme isn't as popular a person shouldn't be paid as much. The job is the same, if the content they're presenting is more popular so be it.

That goes for men & women. As plenty of people have said, no-one watches MOTD to listen to Linekar.
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Chris Evans should be paid the same as whoever is presenting the breakfast show on BBC radio Newcastle?
 
Are there any stats for the non-top-line roles?

Top of the tree jobs can be skewed very easily. For example, the Radio 2 breakfast show is possibly the biggest job in the BBC, and they went for a very high profile person - so of course that was a huge salary.

In Sport, men's sport is vastly more popular, so its obvious that men will get paid more to present. A footballer earning millions per year isn't going to bother for peanuts. But a female presenter who earned £50k/yr would be happy with the same again for a TV job you'd think.


Its absolutely not a case of same job, same money when it comes to the entertainment industry. Its the same impact for the same money.
 
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