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16.4 Could be AXED!

They have to keep a positive spin on this but we all know it’s doomed to fail

not a single country is even contemplating the format and now this American and don’t forget the Caribbean t20 are in direct competition , it will be very interesting to see where players go

last summer a lot of the “big names” bailed out of the 16.4, bairstow and stokes for two , in mid tournament to go to the Caribbean

It’s never convinced me it will be a format that will bring a “new audience” to the cricket and by alienating its current audience, that was never going to succeed
 

Bri said:
But both of those can be true at the same time.
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I think you definitely have a point, as on one hand the national team across all 3 formats performing brilliantly.

But at the same time domestically the calendar too squeezed, but cricket is this country far from wrecked by any means imo.

The talent pot clearly there as well as the feel good factor created by Key, McCullum and Stokes.
 
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Most of the England T20 team and 50 over side barely play in the 16.4

anyone able to name the two sides and players involved in the final last summer in this competition , without googling ?
 
Ghfd said:
Most of the England T20 team and 50 over side barely play in the 16.4

anyone able to name the two sides and players involved in the final last summer in this competition , without googling ?
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Was it "The cockney wankers" v "The Leeds racists" ?
 
Fleagle said:
So long as it’s still a short form thrash between a limited number of new franchises with silly names at the peak of the season that relegates the county game to reserve status it’s not abolishing the bits I’m bothered about.

Indeed the opposite may be true if the other bit about involving the national counties in a development T20 is true. Just sounds like a further downgrade for the county game.
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This is the crux for me. It was always about marginalising the counties outside the big 5. The ECB wont be happy till they have the established test ground counties only and some manufactured franchises playing front and centre with the counties in some 2nd tier tournament.
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Was it "The cockney wankers" v "The Leeds racists" ?
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I think the Manchester Money Grabbers beat the Cockney Wankers in the semi final.
 
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Incase anyone was in doubt about the damage this format has done to county cricket…

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The worst part about it was, many of us predicted it years ago and were worried that it was intentional.
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Looks like it might not be scrapped FFS!

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I heard George Dobell discussing that on the Cricket Collective and if I’m honest, to me that reads like someone saying the right things from a marketing perspective but making manoeuvres behind the scenes to future proof the county game over this competition.

I genuinely feel like the right people are running the game now in Thompson and Gould.
 
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brandon said:
Incase anyone was in doubt about the damage this format has done to county cricket…

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The worst part about it was, many of us predicted it years ago and were worried that it was intentional.


I heard George Dobell discussing that on the Cricket Collective and if I’m honest, to me that reads like someone saying the right things from a marketing perspective but making manoeuvres behind the scenes to future proof the county game over this competition.

I genuinely feel like the right people are running the game now in Thompson and Gould.
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The key I feel @brandon is the arrival of this new American league. Jason Roy has bailed out already and I very much expect the usual t20 wanderers will be off there as well

The 16.4 mantra of “best v best” I feel will be shown as the utter bollocks it always was

Then of course the Caribbean premier league is also on , and last season a lot of the stars bailed out of the 16.4 to go there

So imo we will see the second tier T20 players from the counties in the 16.4

However that will clearly not be the “best v the best”
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think success of the national team is the barometer in which a cricket nation should be mostly judged on.

And the current England set up taking all 3 formats into account is as successful as I can ever remember.

Not all doom and gloom in the slightest quite the opposite
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The strength of the current England team will be largely a result of the infrastructure 10-15 years ago. Albeit run by a massive twat in Giles Clarke, the worst administrator in the history of English cricket.
 
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Western Wurzels
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Well thats a little confusing because im sure taunton isnt a *hip* enough place to have a team and whilst bristol is, iirc bristol is in somerset but used by gloucester and Gloucester isnt a sexy enough county to have a city team.

Anyhow, thats enough of your nonsense
 
Twisted said:
Well thats a little confusing because im sure taunton isnt a *hip* enough place to have a team and whilst bristol is, iirc bristol is in somerset but used by gloucester and Gloucester isnt a sexy enough county to have a city team.

Anyhow, thats enough of your nonsense
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The County Ground at Nevil Road in Bristol is in what was traditionally and remains as far as cricket is concerned Gloucestershire as it’s north of the river. Somerset did play at the now gone Imperial Ground on the south side.

And there is county cricket’s problem in a nutshell quite well illustrated. The old counties it is based on aren’t even that familiar these days to its supposed staunchest defenders on a thread that is specifically about how they must be defended.
 
Fleagle said:
The County Ground at Nevil Road in Bristol is in what was traditionally and remains as far as cricket is concerned Gloucestershire as it’s north of the river. Somerset did play at the now gone Imperial Ground on the south side.

And there is county cricket’s problem in a nutshell quite well illustrated. The old counties it is based on aren’t even that familiar these days to its supposed staunchest defenders on a thread that is specifically about how they must be defended.
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Next thing you'll be telling us gosforth isn't in county Durham
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
The strength of the current England team will be largely a result of the infrastructure 10-15 years ago. Albeit run by a massive twat in Giles Clarke, the worst administrator in the history of English cricket.
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Possibly fair point mate, however what I do know 18/24 months ago, they were many posts saying too much short format cricket was bad for our test team as players were now playing too many shots and didn’t have the right technique or mentality to build an innings in test cricket

Gone really quiet on that front and some of the shots learnt in white ball cricket are now been used more and more in our test team and recently playing more shots has clearly enhanced our test team
 
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Twisted said:
Well thats a little confusing because im sure taunton isnt a *hip* enough place to have a team and whilst bristol is, iirc bristol is in somerset but used by gloucester and Gloucester isnt a sexy enough county to have a city team.

Anyhow, thats enough of your nonsense
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Oh, sorry
 
Voice of fair play said:
Possibly fair point mate, however what I do know 18/24 months ago, they were many posts saying too much short format cricket was bad for our test team as players were now playing too many shots and didn’t have the right technique or mentality to build an innings in test cricket

Gone really quiet on that front and some of the shots learnt in white ball cricket are now been used more and more in our test team and recently playing more shots has clearly enhanced our test team
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Let’s hang fire to see the Ashes before being totally on board with , what can be reckless batting

I’m all for attacking but there are periods when just hanging fire a little can lead to more as a day goes on
 
MustardAndOnions said:
the number of balls I have no interest in like, dunno why people focus on that, its the fake teams that is the problem

just chaning in to 20 overs will make no difference
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I think it’s more than fair to say cricket fans prefer 20 overs to a hundred balls.

Pretty obvious that is the case tbh, as easier to follow and understand as T20 played all around the world.
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think it’s more than fair to say cricket fans prefer 20 overs to a hundred balls.

Pretty obvious that is the case tbh, as easier to follow and understand as T20 played all around the world.
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nothing to do with what I just said

this tournament would be no more popular on here if it was 20 overs

it has absolutely nothing to do with Durham, we have nobody to support or any cricket to watch
 
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