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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Dangerous territory now for future relations with Ukraine.

Ukraine feeling increasingly annoyed and abandoned with the West. Should Ukraine prevail then its people will have more to thank the county’s far right militias for than they do the West - we could easily see a nationalist and anti-west government taking over.

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UpTheDuff said:
Dangerous territory now for future relations with Ukraine.

Ukraine feeling increasingly annoyed and abandoned with the West. Should Ukraine prevail then its people will have more to thank the county’s far right militias for than they do the West - we could easily see a nationalist and anti-west government taking over.

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Putin could also use it against the West "See, they don't really care about you..we are kindred spirits"
 
might come across as a bit heartless, i'm really not, but i am finding it a bit weird the lenghts that people are going to to post memes about this whole thing on FB

just saw a picture of tearful bloke on train a platform holding his kids toy with an explanation underneath that the bloke has just sent his wife and bairns away from kyiv. and saw the same post a few times of this lengthy script about how they are booking airbnbs and paying for them and telling the ukrainian host to keep the money and other convoluted ways of sending money.

its almost like its fuck*ng entertaining for some people
 
tunstallhill said:
might come across as a bit heartless, i'm really not, but i am finding it a bit weird the lenghts that people are going to to post memes about this whole thing on FB

just saw a picture of tearful bloke on train a platform holding his kids toy with an explanation underneath that the bloke has just sent his wife and bairns away from kyiv. and saw the same post a few times of this lengthy script about how they are booking airbnbs and paying for them and telling the ukrainian host to keep the money and other convoluted ways of sending money.

its almost like its fuck*ng entertaining for some people
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Reddit is bad for it atm. Mainly from the Americans it seems.
 
There was a large PRO-RUSSIAN rally in Serbia last night. Bit worrying from a country that is expected to be confirmed as an EU member in a couple of years time. They've also been buying huge amounts of Russian military hardware and even send their troops on joint exercises with Russian troops.
 
Lord Alfred said:
There was a large PRO-RUSSIAN rally in Serbia last night. Bit worrying from a country that is expected to be confirmed as an EU member in a couple of years time. They've also been buying huge amounts of Russian military hardware and even send their troops on joint exercises with Russian troops.
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If true it’s no surprise. Serbia committed genocide snd the worst convicted war criminal since Hitler is still seen as a hero who did a good thing in Serbia. They would love to ethnically cleanse the former Yugoslavia countries more with Russian support.
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Good point. Our failure to act just playing even more into Putin’s hands.
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Lord Alfred said:
There was a large PRO-RUSSIAN rally in Serbia last night. Bit worrying from a country that is expected to be confirmed as an EU member in a couple of years time. They've also been buying huge amounts of Russian military hardware and even send their troops on joint exercises with Russian troops.
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Turn their flag upside down and it becomes Russian.
 
anitdontmajanow said:
Thats been around well before boris and Co my pedigree chum
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yeah and to be honest, I don't care why anyone votes conservative, plenty of discussions about that over the months in the bearpit that is the politics forum.

Mr Redknapp said:
Putin could also use it against the West "See, they don't really care about you..we are kindred spirits"
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Putin will love seeing that sort of thing, Zelenskiy wants to steady on a bit - he's getting a hell of a lot of help, and whilst I'm sure he'd love more, there's a big hand helping that he doesn't want to start biting. The rules and lines are clear, those are what we and he have to work with as things stand. If he's as intelligent as he has been coming across (and I'm a big fan, don't get me wrong) he'll know the implications and why we're not giving him the no-fly zone and just keep doing what he's been doing brilliantly - inspiring the world and his people.
 
UpTheDuff said:
If true it’s no surprise. Serbia committed genocide snd the worst convicted war criminal since Hitler is still seen as a hero who did a good thing in Serbia. They would love to ethnically cleanse the former Yugoslavia countries more with Russian support.

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Just imagine this happening and then just after it you become countrymen with them. The Serbs are an odd bunch. Viciously oppressed and oppressive in equal measure. Great centre halves though
 
box2box said:
So your average Russian can no longer access Facebook, twitter, use visa/Mastercard, lost a range of radio/tv media, cash machines(?), cannot fly to most western countries, easily buy a lot of western brands, watch Russian teams compete in international sports…..You would think some sort of penny will drop…..
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Trouble is that for many the penny that drops will be that the west is making their lives ( more) bloody miserable.
Russians are a resilient bunch, stoic and used to enormous sacrifice. Still a huge proportion of the older population that has faith in the Mother land and believe the propaganda, it’s all they’ve known. Somewhere down the line there has to be measures that benefit the ordinary Russian otherwise the financial sanctions are a risk of becoming a sort of monetary genocide. We really need internal regime change and then a huge amount of collaboration to properly embed democracy and more moderate philosophy.
 
parttimer said:
yeah and to be honest, I don't care why anyone votes conservative, plenty of discussions about that over the months in the bearpit that is the politics forum.


Putin will love seeing that sort of thing, Zelenskiy wants to steady on a bit - he's getting a hell of a lot of help, and whilst I'm sure he'd love more, there's a big hand helping that he doesn't want to start biting. The rules and lines are clear, those are what we and he have to work with as things stand. If he's as intelligent as he has been coming across (and I'm a big fan, don't get me wrong) he'll know the implications and why we're not giving him the no-fly zone and just keep doing what he's been doing brilliantly - inspiring the world and his people.
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Not sure the rules and red lines are clear.

There is no rule stopping the UK or any country providing ground or military support to Ukraine.

And as for red lines, is the red line NATO membership or how western and rich a country is?

Sweden, Switzerland and Ireland are not in NATO. So to use a hypothetical example, if those three countries were being bombed to shreds by Putin would we still not cross the ‘red line’ and help non-NATO members.

If Dublin is under siege and being wiped off the map would posters here and the UK population be saying “they aren’t in NATO, it’s the rules and it’s not our fight”?
 
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tunstallhill said:
might come across as a bit heartless, i'm really not, but i am finding it a bit weird the lenghts that people are going to to post memes about this whole thing on FB

just saw a picture of tearful bloke on train a platform holding his kids toy with an explanation underneath that the bloke has just sent his wife and bairns away from kyiv. and saw the same post a few times of this lengthy script about how they are booking airbnbs and paying for them and telling the ukrainian host to keep the money and other convoluted ways of sending money.

its almost like its fuck*ng entertaining for some people
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Someone on here did that too. Bizarre really. Why not just donate via one of the funds? How do you know the host is in danger? They might not even be in Ukraine. They could be very comfortable and quite rich while there's homeless desperate families need help.

If you donate via the disaster emergency fund the government will match your donation.
 
Bob Fleming said:
Someone on here did that too. Bizarre really. Why not just donate via one of the funds? How do you know the host is in danger? They might not even be in Ukraine. They could be very comfortable and quite rich while there's homeless desperate families need help.

If you donate via the disaster emergency fund the government will match your donation.
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Not something I would do but people are just trying to help aren't they.
 
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