Boro and wycombe suing Derby County



Guinness Guzzler said:
Aye but the EFL could have had the foresight when Covid was first kicking off to get something agreed. It's pathetic asking clubs to agree something at that late stage in the season when they all knew how it would harm / benefit them. Once it got to the late stage that it did, there should have been an agreement that the EFL (who have access to financial information about the clubs) would judge which clubs actually couldn't afford to continue. Either way I think blaming Wycombe is harsh, again if we were in their position whereby we'd be in the play offs on ppg but were on a bad run and at great risk of missing out if the season completed, I think many of our fans would want us to do the same. Some wouldn't, some would want to maintain the integrity of the league etc but I reckon a majority would be saying that our club should vote in our interests so it feels churlish to blame Wycombe for doing exactly that
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I don't blame Wycombe at all for the way they were promoted or their grievance with Derby.

That's my point, the EFL isn't independent so you have clubs arguing against each other which delays decisions until a consensus can be formed with everyone looking out for their own interest. The EFL can't just say 'this is what is happening'.
Mackem00 said:
Eh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.
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It is, even if it's not supposed to be
 
If Boro have a claim, then surely Leeds do as well. Derby beat Leeds in the play offs. Who’s to say Leeds wouldn’t have beat Boro then Villa and went up? It’s ridiculous.

Wycombes claim, fair enough.
 
The EFL couldn`t organise a piss up in a brewery. Soft cocks is a good term for them.
Letting Clubs choose how to end a season will, by default, lead to those clubs voting in their own interest - who wouldn`t?
Derby cheated, and are now paying the price, and Wycombe/Boro are after any scraps from the table.

I doubt there is a club in the 92 that wouldn`t do the same as any of them.... so they all have to live with the consequences.
 
david_watts said:
If Boro have a claim, then surely Leeds do as well. Derby beat Leeds in the play offs. Who’s to say Leeds wouldn’t have beat Boro then Villa and went up? It’s ridiculous.

Wycombes claim, fair enough.
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Surely Villa cheated by extension by beating Derby then as they should have been playing one of Leeds or Boro and we should relegate them too and reset back to the moment this playoff happened and wipe history?

Leeds have a better claim than Boro anyway as they were closer to the final.

Very easy to extrapolate this out of all proportion and into absurdity.

Wycombes is stupid too - the EFL have punished them. In line with the precedent of not punishing Sheff Wed until the following season too. So the rules as written were followed.
Mackem00 said:
Eh? Of course they can. It's not a democracy.
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Sadly it is. The EFL is a fucked up entity. Hence Wycombe voting to promote themselves
mikemanc said:
I don't blame Wycombe at all for the way they were promoted or their grievance with Derby.

That's my point, the EFL isn't independent so you have clubs arguing against each other which delays decisions until a consensus can be formed with everyone looking out for their own interest. The EFL can't just say 'this is what is happening'.

It is, even if it's not supposed to be
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The bigger issue with Wycombe and how they got promoted was they were very vocal about it being too unsafe to play, yet were happy to play 3 playoff games. If they were that opposed to playing as it was so unsafe, P3 should have been promoted automatically and the playoffs scrapped
 
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WycombeWanderer said:
I think you'll find that most Wycombe fans do support this compensation claim, myself included. That seems to be the consensus on the Gasroom and Twitter.

As you say, Morris admitted in a BBC interview that he deliberately didn't submit their accounts (which they knew failed FFP) by the EFL deadline, purely because it would have relegated them instead of us. If Sunderland were in Wycombe's position you guys would be absolutely fuming too - it's disgraceful.

No-one wants to see Derby liquidated, but we're pursuing a compensation claim which has a decent basis, and I think Rob is doing the right thing here. I'm sure an agreement will be reached in the end. Please don't start talking about PPG and how we shouldn't have been there in the first place. I can't be bothered to go over those arguments again, but the fact is we were in the Championship under a system agreed to by the EFL and the vast majority of clubs. How we got there has absolutely no relevance to the Derby case anyway
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And Derby were punished in "a system agreed by the EFL". You win some, you lose some
 
maghater said:
People loose their livelihood everyday because the firm they work for goes tits up, in many if not most cases this is down to poor management, sod all that can be done.

Could argue that if Derby get away with it, will give the green light to other clubs to play fast and loose

Levels of debt in the Championship are horrendous, as the lure of the premier league beckons.I think the whole league system needs looking at. Probably need a two division PL, think the parachute payment is really unfair on the rest of the championship (and beyond)
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You are right but a few points of order.

1. The Derby takeover is being severely hindered, if not blocked by the legal action of those two clubs. If Derby go bust the two clubs won't get a penny so it's only right that questions are asked as to why they are doing what they're doing. They've made their point, move on. Derby will get punished by virtue of having their squad decimated and potentially getting relegated. All that said, the people that work for them didn't make those decisions. Why punish them? What about innocent smaller businesses that supply Derby? What if their main business is supplying Derby? What happens to them? The hidden and forgotten victims.

2. If Derby get away with it as you say, then yes it might give the green light to more clubs trying it on. Equally, if they go under on the say so of two fellow clubs, just what is that giving the green light to?

How would you feel as an innocent supporter if two other clubs blocked a takeover that your club needed, and your club went bust over it?

It can't be allowed to happen and yes complete reform of the EFL and FFP has to happen and it has to happen now.
 
Wycombe Fan said:
Our claim, just so you know, is because after the season had finished Mel Morris admitted in an interview that he delayed getting the finances in on time on purpose, as he knew that would then mean that Derby were deducted points this season rather than last, so they would stay up instead of us, so they could then claim the 6 million TV money. That's what prompted our claim, unfortunately its a bit of an American thing I think, like our owner. Like I say most of us don't want it, we went down because we ddnt get enough points. You'll find quite a few Derby fans actually think we have more of a claim than Boro, who's claim is ridiculous. Derby have been cheating horrendously for years, and the fans were quite happy to put up with it while Morris was there. But I do not want them to go bust over it
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Everything was delayed because Steve Gibson and Morris went to war, points would have been deducted much sooner if It hadn't got personal between those two. I've not seen anything where Morris has told the BBC he delayed things to get Wycombe relegated either, sounds like a pile of shit to me. Maybe They should be claiming money from Reading who took points off them and themselves got points deducted. The period Derby overspent was before Wycombe were even in the Championship anyway I believe. Maybe they should sue Gibson for delaying the EFL's punishment until it fucked them up. Anyway with 2 weeks till my club goes bust I couldn't give a fuck about Wycombe to be honest
 
Hank Scorpio said:
Don’t Derby have until the end of the month to find a buyer or the EFL may have to remove them from the league?
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That's been extended to the end of the season, but the administrators have to produce an acceptable plan for the rest of this season by the beginning of February. There are definite problems with buyers, and I suspect it's all related to the dodgy sle of Pride Park two or three years agp.
 
steadybreeze said:
Everything was delayed because Steve Gibson and Morris went to war, points would have been deducted much sooner if It hadn't got personal between those two. I've not seen anything where Morris has told the BBC he delayed things to get Wycombe relegated either, sounds like a pile of shit to me. Maybe They should be claiming money from Reading who took points off them and themselves got points deducted. The period Derby overspent was before Wycombe were even in the Championship anyway I believe. Maybe they should sue Gibson for delaying the EFL's punishment until it fucked them up. Anyway with 2 weeks till my club goes bust I couldn't give a fuck about Wycombe to be honest
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Our CEO, who has just left for the PL, after we were relegated said he was astounded at the amount of backstabbing and 'grassing' that is going on in the Championship, with clubs literally falling over themselves to try and get other clubs in trouble. After what we are seeing here, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. It hurts me to the core that there is no solidarity amongst clubs in what is a fake landscape of PP's and FFP. Literally any club could fall foul of this and i'm half expecting my club to be in trouble over the next few seasons.

Fair cop if we get a points deduction, end up in League One with a team of kids. I've personally had my highs over the last 15 years in the PL. All I ask though, as a fan, is just give me a club to support at the end of it whatever state it is in.

It simply can't be good for our game to happy clap clubs out of existence.
 
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maghater said:
People loose their livelihood everyday because the firm they work for goes tits up, in many if not most cases this is down to poor management, sod all that can be done.

Could argue that if Derby get away with it, will give the green light to other clubs to play fast and loose

Levels of debt in the Championship are horrendous, as the lure of the premier league beckons.I think the whole league system needs looking at. Probably need a two division PL, think the parachute payment is really unfair on the rest of the championship (and beyond)
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Here we go again :lol::lol:
 
Stormo said:
Pretty low trick from Boro mind. Expected better from Gibson.
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Why? Derby cheated and Boro didn’t. There has to be some repercussions surely?
The Albanian said:
Boro finished 10th last season - 13 points off the playoff places and with 25 goals worse goal difference than 6th place Bournemouth

I don't understand what their angle is - how did Derby affect that?
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I believe it’s for the season before last, where Derby got to the play off final by spending more than they had and gambling. Funny if they won that game against Villa these problems probably wouldn’t of even come to fruition.
david_watts said:
If Boro have a claim, then surely Leeds do as well. Derby beat Leeds in the play offs. Who’s to say Leeds wouldn’t have beat Boro then Villa and went up? It’s ridiculous.

Wycombes claim, fair enough.
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Doubt Leeds will be bothered as they went up the year after. If they were still languishing in the championship you could bet your bottom dollar they’d be claiming foul play, especially after the spygate stuff.
 
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