tunstallhill
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how do the hospitals look like they are going to be overwhelmed? nobody knows this currently as there isn't any data to suggest that
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how do the hospitals look like they are going to be overwhelmed? nobody knows this currently as there isn't any data to suggest that
Because UK health experts are saying that due to the sheer number of people that it can infect in such short period of time, hospitalisations will increase to such an extent that hospitals won’t cope and will get overwhelmed. I work at a hospital here in Leeds, we’ve already been told to prepare for a terrible winter. Loads and loads of staff are off, ambulance waiting times are terrible, been asked if we can think about cancelling annual leave as they need as many staff as possible.
YES WE GYAN
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Tbf, I know of one hospital that has had to close their ICU as all 17 staff working in their caught it from 1 positive patient.
Similar, the trust I work at in central London is relying massive on Bank/Agency staff just to deliver the bare minimum care
It's a major worry going forward into January that we aren't going to have safe staffing levels
MackemMagic
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Its staffing thats the issue. The sickness levels through stress are through the roof, not to mention the high likelihood of staff having to be off sick/isolate due to the new variant.
Overwhelmed doesnt have to mean there's hundreds of patients at the door, it can mean there's not enough frontline staff to treat those that do turn up
tunstallhill
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So it's more to do with staff shortages than particularly high admissions?
Shambles from our government
Fair enough I hadn't realised that was so significant.
They need to start making working for the NHS a worthwhile job
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It's both unfortunately
The public seem to think NHS staff are immune from getting ill, if this is allowed to rip through the population then a significant % of staff won't be able to work
At the minute, yeah it’s staffing. However if we’re seriously seeing a doubling of omicron cases every 2 days, that will in the next few weeks ensure a massive increase in admission due to the sheer number of people that are currently getting infected. Even if this variant is more “mild” than Delta, the sheer capacity for its ability to spread means it will cause enough serous illness in people to overwhelm hospitals.
Scare the masses now to spare the masses later. I've not taken this view at any stage until now, but a tightening of the reins now may stop a mid-winter surge from getting out of control. The data, so far doesn't suggest we are worse of than at any time in the last six months in terms of ICU/Hospital/deaths. Mask-wearing/social distance/covid passes/ a bit more being careful, fine if that keeps everything open... here's hoping anyway.
sonson
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And a lot of people who used to staff the NHS and Social Care have been told they're not welcome here anymore.
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Rustie Trombone
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They've had two years to prepare our NHS for this - Google 'NHS crisis' and add a year of your choice and you'll find the NHS is in crisis every winter - our NHS isn't fit for purpose
Our only hope now is that this variant - along with our booster program - isn't even close to being as harmful as the previous variants
sonson
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The NHS has kept the country going while also administering the vaccine roll out. Its performed miracles, quite frankly.
Don't conflate "underfunded and politically sabotaged" with "not fit for purpose".
wisemensaysteve
Winger
Agreed 100% the NHS are the greatest organisation going, they are doing an amazing job, the big problem is clearly understaffing, caused by underfunding.
sonson
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And barring entry to the country to a lot of the people who used to join it
It would be if they lobbed a few pence on the income tax rates and used the extra money generated all for the NHS, but then some wouldn't be able to afford their £400 a month lease cars, we can't have it both ways.......
Public Health England director on the news this morning saying a lot of hospitals down South are already > 100% capacity. There's the data
tunstallhill
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cool idea, and added bonus of blaming the regular people of this country.
or, might sound daft, we could just properly tax rich bastards and multi-billion pound companies. £35billion would pay for a couple of extra nurses
Tax lost in UK amounts to £35bn – almost half, say campaigners, due to fraud
Annual snapshot from HMRC comes as public finances are under biggest strain since the second world war
www.theguardian.com
daveydavey
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Winter crisis every year, inconceivable there wouldn’t be a political dynamism towards restrictions infinitum to justify the pressure it comes under.
Now that lockdown and restrictions are out of the bottle, can anybody imagine them not being brought in circumstances such as December 2019 during the election campaign with that viral picture of the child on the floor.
It was always a case of the first lockdown being a political starting pistol for years to come.
Solution lies in hospitals and governance , not cyclical restrictions that are plasters at best. The amount they cost annually , on top of the investment pledge made this year…surely worth sorting out properly.
Now that lockdown and restrictions are out of the bottle, can anybody imagine them not being brought in circumstances such as December 2019 during the election campaign with that viral picture of the child on the floor.
It was always a case of the first lockdown being a political starting pistol for years to come.
Solution lies in hospitals and governance , not cyclical restrictions that are plasters at best. The amount they cost annually , on top of the investment pledge made this year…surely worth sorting out properly.
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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nurses paid pittance whilst the pen pushers are paid a fortune. never has and never will sit right with me that
