12 year old girl murdered in Liverpool City centre



redwhiteandblue said:
If a boy of 14 or 15 sees fit to stab a 12 year old girl to death I don't think they will change much into adulthood, if you give them a life sentence ( I assume you mean for life) who pays to keep them for the next 70 years or so, and in your infinite wisdom what do you do when all the jail's are full? Just let some out? To make room for the never ending stream of scum our society is breeding? Killing a child is harsh I agree, but I stand by what I said as it's the only way to cure society, that innocent 12 year old girl is never going to have a life now and her family will live with it for the rest of theirs, why should the person who cruelly and deliberately took it away fare any better?

I agree, but a very grim situation requires a very grim solution, last I recall lighting a candle wasn't working.
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think is a rather grandiose term there
 
redwhiteandblue said:
lives of the girl, her family and friends yes, not the lives of the four lads though, they'll have a whale of a time in their young offenders home, canoeing, mountain biking, rock climbing etc, taught by some left wing luvvie, who knows deep down they're all good lads, just a bit misguided, then let out by the time they're 18, they'll all look back and laugh about it one day, seriously, they will, and there lies the problem with our society! if she has been fatally stabbed and the one that struck that blow can clearly be identified by cctv, then he should be killed, this would send out the right message that this behaviour will not be tolerated, instead of the message that we currently send out, which is that it will. sad times.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

We need to address the root problems, prevention is better than cure. The death penalty never works, take a look at the USA for how the prison system can fail, tough over there and it has one of the biggest prison populations in the world but crime is still very high and more and more people end up going into the system. I would rather we followed the Norway model.

We all know the "bad" areas in our country, what do they have in common I wonder?
 
Keawyeds said:
12 to 15 and from Toxteth so you'll forgive me for assuming they weren't on the politics subforum of a Sunderland Fans Message Board.
Don't be a tit.


Extremely. Needs a time out IMHO.
To cool off more than anything.
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I realise you are still pissed off from my describing one of your threads as "desperate" but for gods sake get over it man.
 
CatRyan said:
you are not only wrong but hateful and stupid too
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I am not full of hatred at all, I feel empathy for that 12 year old girl and her family and would like them to receive some justice, please tell me your honest answer to this question, in your heart of hearts do you honestly believe that those 4 boys will come out of young offenders home/prison fully rehabilitated and go on to live decent lives without getting into more trouble with the law? If you do I think you're gullible, if you don't, why should they be allowed to have a second chance at inflicting more pain and misery on another unfortunate innocent victim?
 
chrismisterx said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.

We need to address the root problems, prevention is better than cure. The death penalty never works, take a look at the USA for how the prison system can fail, tough over there and it has one of the biggest prison populations in the world but crime is still very high and more and more people end up going into the system. I would rather we followed the Norway model.

We all know the "bad" areas in our country, what do they have in common I wonder?
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It is not about making a right though. The purpose is to protect the rest of the community and in that regard it does work because they are unable to commit any further crimes.

However I do not agree with the death penalty so would not agree with bringing it back. For these sorts of crimes I would instead very much welcome a whole life order and preferably confined to a small padded cell with bread and water for the duration.
 
Its bad anyway but it makes it even worse when the lass is the same age as your own. Been terrified of the day we let my youngins out on their own. Just seen the alleged re from toxeth, really rough place that makes hendon look tame
 
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redwhiteandblue said:
I am not full of hatred at all, I feel empathy for that 12 year old girl and her family and would like them to receive some justice, please tell me your honest answer to this question, in your heart of hearts do you honestly believe that those 4 boys will come out of young offenders home/prison fully rehabilitated and go on to live decent lives without getting into more trouble with the law? If you do I think you're gullible, if you don't, why should they be allowed to have a second chance at inflicting more pain and misery on another unfortunate innocent victim?
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of course this is an emotive issue, of course I'm heartbroken for that little girl and her family but that isn't a reasoned or rational response to the issues this raises and deciding that the appropriate response is to pour scorn on the children who stabbed her is juvenile
 
Northern_chappy said:
It is not about making a right though. The purpose is to protect the rest of the community and in that regard it does work because they are unable to commit any further crimes.

However I do not agree with the death penalty so would not agree with bringing it back. For these sorts of crimes I would instead very much welcome a whole life order and preferably confined to a small padded cell with bread and water for the duration.
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So prevention would be 100% better then, its why we need to invest and figure out how to solve these problems before someone is killed.

If the boys are sent down for life, is there any reason for them to behave in prison, as what's the point its not like they will ever get out so then prison becomes a storage place and not a place to rehabilitate people, we ae going to need more and more prisons.

Its unthinkable what's happened, it breaks my heart and why things need to change, I don't think these boys give what happens next to them a second thought before the attack, so longer , tougher or even the death sentence wouldn't have saved that little girl.

There's places in this country thats no go areas, scary places thats gone feral, we need to sort the root problems out and go form there.
 
PinzaC55 said:
I realise you are still pissed off from my describing one of your threads as "desperate" but for gods sake get over it man.
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Get over yourself man. There's bigger issues then being petty on here as I'm sure you'll agree.
redwhiteandblue said:
I am not full of hatred at all, I feel empathy for that 12 year old girl and her family and would like them to receive some justice, please tell me your honest answer to this question, in your heart of hearts do you honestly believe that those 4 boys will come out of young offenders home/prison fully rehabilitated and go on to live decent lives without getting into more trouble with the law? If you do I think you're gullible, if you don't, why should they be allowed to have a second chance at inflicting more pain and misery on another unfortunate innocent victim?
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Sometimes it's not about rehabilitating, but keeping society safe from them and their actions.
 
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chrismisterx said:
it should always be about that, even if the person can never be deemed safe to leave prison, we always need to be looking to rehabilitating the offender.
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Some people simply can't be. They either aren't wired right, or simply have no interest in mending their ways.
Better to focus on the ones you can help and keep the others banged up
 
What the hell is going on. There has always been scumbags but christ.

The lack of respect for other people is shocking and I honestly think it comes from online.

People talk to others like absolute shit on social media, be keyboard warriors and then it spills over to the real world.

Society is fucked. I work with schools and heads are at rock bottom, mainly because of parents rather than the kids, mind.
 
Keawyeds said:
Get over yourself man. There's bigger issues then being petty on here as I'm sure you'll agree.


Sometimes it's not about rehabilitating, but keeping society safe from them and their actions.
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I agree, so tell me how you keep society safe when the prisons are full and there is nowhere to lock people up who pose a threat to society without releasing some of them back into society? Given the slating you gave me for advocating the death sentence I'd like to know your solution.
CatRyan said:
of course this is an emotive issue, of course I'm heartbroken for that little girl and her family but that isn't a reasoned or rational response to the issues this raises and deciding that the appropriate response is to pour scorn on the children who stabbed her is juvenile
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I wouldn't pour scorn over them, boiling tar would be my choice.
 
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redwhiteandblue said:
I agree, so tell me how you keep society safe when the prisons are full and there is nowhere to lock people up who pose a threat to society without releasing some of them back into society? Given the slating you gave me for advocating the death sentence I'd like to know your solution.

I wouldn't pour scorn over them, boiling tar would be my choice.
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Crime Island, but it'll never happen. I'm actually getting tired of repeating that, despite it being good idea - albeit against the Geneva convention I suspect.
A pointless war would be helpful.

You seem to miss the point that the death sentence doesn't stop these things from happening. It just stops the perpetrator from doing it again.
Even if you bump them off, their cell will be filled soon after by the next pain in society's arse.
 
redwhiteandblue said:
I agree, so tell me how you keep society safe when the prisons are full and there is nowhere to lock people up who pose a threat to society without releasing some of them back into society? Given the slating you gave me for advocating the death sentence I'd like to know your solution.

I wouldn't pour scorn over them, boiling tar would be my choice.
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this was addressed more fully in 1551, filling up prisons is not the solution primarily as it is reactive rather than proactive and America is the proof that it does not work

the death sentence does not work, it is more expensive and morally wrong
 

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