Covid jab to become mandatory for care home staff

tysonstorm said:
Wonder how the Government are going to plug the huge gaps in recruitment this will cause in care homes.

Maybe they'll force those on benefits to volunteer or get those disabled people who they threw on the scrapheap a few years ago to do it.

As usual an ill thought out idea that will cause more problems than it will solve.
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Is it really going to cause that much of a problem? There will be a few refuseniks but otherwise I'd expect most to be happy to have the vaccination as they will have first hard experience of what the disease does to vulnerable people.

At long as there is an exemption for people with legitimate medical reasons for not being vaccinated (and if so, should they be working in front line care?) then I have no problem with the new law.
 


Ledbury mackem said:
But surely that is as much of a conspiracy theory as that which you suggest onthe other side of the argument. The reality is that none of us can be sure of the truth?
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The conspiracy is obvious to me.

Furthermore, it's insanity to vaccinate the whole world including children with an unlicensed experimental vaccine for a virus only 0.02% of the worlds population died WITH in 2020 BEFORE Covid vaccines. The clear motive here is profit. Have a look into the swine flu scandal.

Vaccines, lockdowns and quantitative easing has increased the wealth of the worlds billionaires collectively by trillions.


Read 'Covid-19, the Great Reset' by World Economic Forum chairman Klaus Schwab. It gives a great insight into the wider agendas at play.
 
Frijj said:
That isn’t true at all.

You have a neat trick up your sleeve where you misuse “facts” to give the appearance of truth.

One in particular that you have repeatedly posted is

“only 0.02% of the world’s population have died with COVID”

you use this information in order to reach badly-informed conclusions.

Such a number may appear as if COVID isn’t killing anyone, and that is clearly your intention here.

What you have either a) failed to understand or b) opted to ignore is the fact that not all countries are recording cases and deaths properly, which means you are not using the true number of deaths.

If it is a), and you fail to understand this most basic piece of information then you have no business trying to inform anyone about COVID when you clearly do not have a clue what you’re talking about.

If it is b), and you have deliberately used information you know to be untrue, to reach a conclusion and to persuade others, then you are a liar and peddler of fake news.

Which is it?

This is but one lie, by the way. There are others you have told.
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No response @mrmarmalade? No response and I’ll assume you’re accepting you are telling lies

Wonder if you’re @robbied1

You definitely are an alter ego
 
Darlo1973 said:
Is it really going to cause that much of a problem? There will be a few refuseniks but otherwise I'd expect most to be happy to have the vaccination as they will have first hard experience of what the disease does to vulnerable people.

At long as there is an exemption for people with legitimate medical reasons for not being vaccinated (and if so, should they be working in front line care?) then I have no problem with the new law.
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'Refuseniks' 😂

When you've been brainwashed by the mainstream media and repeat what they say and use their terms haha.

I hope you've got shares in big pharma because otherwise you're just a useful idiot to those who do and are making a lot of money from all of this.
 
Frijj said:
No response @mrmarmalade? No response and I’ll assume you’re accepting you are telling lies

Wonder if you’re @robbied1

You definitely are an alter ego
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You're talking absolute nonsense, my 0.02% figure is calculated using the world population from 2020 and the official Covid death toll from 2020 from worldometers. You really are clutching at straws.

You literally want the 0.02% figure to be higher. 😂
look out piano said:
Good, don't kill grandma shitheads........
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Hancock already has!
 
mrmarmalade said:
'Refuseniks' 😂

When you've been brainwashed by the mainstream media and repeat what they say and use their terms haha.

I hope you've got shares in big pharma because otherwise you're just a useful idiot to those who do and are making a lot of money from all of this.
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Aye, I suppose you came up with the bill gates, the great reset and plandemic all by yourself didn’t you? You’re literally doing what you’re accusing others of doing, but from stupid sources
 
mrmarmalade said:
You're talking absolute nonsense, my 0.02% figure is calculated using the world population from 2020 and the official Covid death toll from 2020 from worldometers. You really are clutching at straws.

You literally want the 0.02% figure to be higher. 😂

Hancock already has!
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It has been explained to you why the number is obviously a significant underestimate. Every time you promote it you are telling a lie. This makes you a liar.

Unless of course you’re willing to admit your lack of understanding and knowledge means you’re not qualified to pass comment?

Your choice, which are you? A liar or a know-nowt?
 
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mrmarmalade said:
You're talking absolute nonsense, my 0.02% figure is calculated using the world population from 2020 and the official Covid death toll from 2020 from worldometers. You really are clutching at straws.

You literally want the 0.02% figure to be higher. 😂

Hancock already has!
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He was shit, not being vaccinated whilst working with the elderly is also shit - so this shit is the shit ! ;)
 
mickonline said:
Health and Safety at Work Act 1974.

It is the duty of the employee to protect themselves and others. End of any argument!
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Not really. That’s the beginning.
if all the residents are fully vaccinated and the worker is a 20 year old with no ill health, what do you think is reasonably practical to ensure safety?
Is PPE reasonably practical?
Is vaccination against wishes practical?
If the worker gets vaccinated because it’s mandated and they die, is anyone liable? The employer? The local authority? The government?
 
royalmush83 said:
Aye but it’s not just at work is it? You can’t just leave the vaccine at the door when you clock off and put it in again when you clock on.
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They are protecting the vulnerable residents they look after. If they are not vaccinated they are increasing the risk.
rudd said:
Not really. That’s the beginning.
if all the residents are fully vaccinated and the worker is a 20 year old with no ill health, what do you think is reasonably practical to ensure safety?
Is PPE reasonably practical?
Is vaccination against wishes practical?
If the worker gets vaccinated because it’s mandated and they die, is anyone liable? The employer? The local authority? The government?
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Hierarchy of control.

Step one: Eliminate the Risk
Step Two: Substitute the risk.
Step Six: PPE

The risk is to the residents they are looking after. By not getting the jab they are breach of health and safety rules. They do have a choice, get jabbed or find different employment.
 
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mrmarmalade said:
'Refuseniks' 😂

When you've been brainwashed by the mainstream media and repeat what they say and use their terms haha.

I hope you've got shares in big pharma because otherwise you're just a useful idiot to those who do and are making a lot of money from all of this.
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My shares are doing fine thanks. How are yours?

Actually, Big Pharma aren't making a lot of money out of COVID. Most are of the vaccines are being sold at cost price and the pandemic has disrupted their R&D pipelines and clinical trials while sales have been hit as healthcare systems have been unable to treat as many non-COVID patients.
 
mickonline said:
They are protecting the vulnerable residents they look after. If they are not vaccinated they are increasing the risk.

Hierarchy of control.

Step one: Eliminate the Risk
Step Two: Substitute the risk.
Step Six: PPE

The risk is to the residents they are looking after. By not getting the jab they are breach of health and safety rules. They do have a choice, get jabbed or find different employment.
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How exactly? If the vaccine stops death and pretty much all serious illness then surely having the residents vaccinated is enough?
 
mickonline said:
They are protecting the vulnerable residents they look after. If they are not vaccinated they are increasing the risk.

Hierarchy of control.

Step one: Eliminate the Risk
Step Two: Substitute the risk.
Step Six: PPE

The risk is to the residents they are looking after. By not getting the jab they are breach of health and safety rules. They do have a choice, get jabbed or find different employment.
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There's no health and safety rule that mandates vaccination.
I'm no lawyer but it's going to be very dodgy ground for employers dealing with employees with long service, especially when there's options of PPE and free testing available.
The current covid vaccine rollout is for everyone to be offered a vaccine, not taking it and that'll surely have an impact on the judgement?
Seems difficult to mandate it for social carers when it's not being done for others working in higher risk settings like hospitals. Be interesting to see how it pans out.
 
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