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It's disappointing that it took them three matches to figure out the driest spring on record and the new heavy roller rule would result in flat, dry wickets that give limited reward to seamers. Especially after we lost 12 wickets to spin in Chelmsford! In fact we should have had the extra spinner in at Chelmsford as any idiot knew how that wicket would play with Harmer in the team and the weather forecast.

No point having a post mortem about it now as the weather is about to turn wet again in May.
Well I will be honest I have been going to the Riverside for 25 years and I haven't seen a wicket like that before. There has been dry spells but never seen a wicket play like that before.
 
They had him in this match's squad ahead of Trevaskis after Trevaskis had repeatedly out bowled and out batted him for the seconds. A young lad hit him for 23 off his first two overs at Gosforth ffs. Some baffling selections going on.
Look at Trev's record
 
Burnham is a different class ability wise to Poynter IMO. His average is lower than it should be down to a lack of focus in the past but I think hes turning a corner. He looked very good in the last 2 games

Just listened to the coach Franklin post match interview said the normal things you would expect including that part of the review will be looking at the wicket for this match and will it be the norm for this season and what type of attack would be best suited for taking 20 wickets if that is the case.
Yes, just done likewise. Important point was they'll look at the balance of the side. With Bancroft we've got a very solid top six including Ned as w/k with Burnham looking a much more mature player.
That means we can field 5 bowlers 7-11. Watched a bit of Borthwick's bowling today. Absolute dross. Quality spinners are just not available- they're all involved in IPL and other lucrative franchises. Got therefore to be patient and develop our own spinner.Pick and Persist with Trevaskis -he's promising and only 21. We've been far too quick in discarding young spinners in the past.
 
Well I will be honest I have been going to the Riverside for 25 years and I haven't seen a wicket like that before. There has been dry spells but never seen a wicket play like that before.

I listened to County Natters after the Essex match and SB said the square was hard and dry and like nothing he had seen at the Riverside and thought it could give something to the spinners.
Look at Trev's record

Look at Alex Thomson's record since he joined Durham and enjoy watching Borthwick bowl two full tosses an over.

I watched Trevaskis in the RLC year before last where he was consistently one of our best bowlers. You seen him play?

He isn't Ashwin but he's probably the best spinner on our books atm.
 
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I listened to County Natters after the Essex match and SB said the square was hard and dry and like nothing he had seen at the Riverside and thought it could give something to the spinners.


Look at Alex Thomson's record since he joined Durham and enjoy watching Borthwick bowl two full tosses an over.

I watched Trevaskis in the RLC year before last where he was consistently one of our best bowlers. You seen him play?

He isn't Ashwin but he's probably the best spinner on our books atm.
So you are justifying him being picked because he was ok in a totally different format
 
Yes, just done likewise. Important point was they'll look at the balance of the side. With Bancroft we've got a very solid top six including Ned as w/k with Burnham looking a much more mature player.
That means we can field 5 bowlers 7-11. Watched a bit of Borthwick's bowling today. Absolute dross. Quality spinners are just not available- they're all involved in IPL and other lucrative franchises. Got therefore to be patient and develop our own spinner.Pick and Persist with Trevaskis -he's promising and only 21. We've been far too quick in discarding young spinners in the past.
Definitely the biggest decision to be made is can we afford to have two players in the side batting at 6 and 7 int the order who are both competent behind the stumps. Poynter maybe the better keeper I don't really know but Eckersley us clearly a better bat.
But without doubt in championship cricket just by the sheer amount played you have to have 5 reliable bowlers not sure you can day that about Badger at the moment and spin has become far if a necessary weapon this season.
Look at Trev's record
So what would your plan be Chops?
 
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Definitely the biggest decision to be made is can we afford to have two players in the side batting at 6 and 7 int the order who are both competent behind the stumps. Poynter maybe the better keeper I don't really know but Eckersley us clearly a better bat.
But without doubt in championship cricket just by the sheer amount played you have to have 5 reliable bowlers not sure you can day that about Badger at the moment and spin has become far if a necessary weapon this season.

So what would your plan be Chops?
Don't have one I just think we are not quite good enough
 
Look at Trev's record

As always your views are totally baffling.

A 21 year old who hasn't played a seasons worth of games, let's just assume his figures wil never improve. I assume you'd have sacked off Anderson as an international since his first few YEARS were poor. And that's a seamer not a spinner.
Will he be eligible to play against his parent club.

Fingers crossed no. Looks a poor signing alongside Dickson. Not sure if carse is fit but even if so doesn't vary the attack enough. Need a medium pace/left arm/off spinner - only options we have are given Burnham a bowl or pick Trevaskis that I can see
 
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I don't know that there's too many runs between Burnham and poynter is there? Probably since that 70 odd he's gone ahead but I doubt much in it before then? And poynter is in to keep wicket, that's the argument not saying I agree with it. Don't think either are really good enough with the bat, I'd happily replace them both tbf with trev and Clark and exk keeps, giving us a whopping 3 spinners :eek::eek:

Ha’way man, you’d drop a bloke who is our second highest run scorer this season for a bloke who’s had about 5 goes at red ball batting and fails every time??

I don’t get this boards* fascination with Clark. White ball aye, but zero red ball pedigree whatsoever despite a hat full of chances.

*Granted, not everyone.
 
5 bowlers in the starting xi is something I've been saying from day one... We really need a dobber in the middle order or have enough faith in our top/middle order that we can play 5 bowlers 7-11.

Every match so far we've scored enough runs but not had the wicket takers (yes I include Essex match) so back our batsmen and bring an extra bowler in. Especially when bancroft comes in for young
Good point about the dobber in the middle.
Think most of us would like a De Grandhomme type that can do that and provide a few good runs anarl
 
As always your views are totally baffling.

A 21 year old who hasn't played a seasons worth of games, let's just assume his figures wil never improve. I assume you'd have sacked off Anderson as an international since his first few YEARS were poor. And that's a seamer not a spinner.


Fingers crossed no. Looks a poor signing alongside Dickson. Not sure if carse is fit but even if so doesn't vary the attack enough. Need a medium pace/left arm/off spinner - only options we have are given Burnham a bowl or pick Trevaskis that I can see
Not saying he won't improve but the clamour for him is based on nothing
If we are to select a second spin bowler then Trev should be selected. He's our player, either play him or he'll be away
Should sunderland play jack diamond because he's our player or play Jordan Jones
 
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Another disappointing result but its not all doom and gloom. We're playing better cricket but are not yet strong enough to finish games, so end up dominating for long periods. Frustrating but all part of an improving team. Don't know what the score is with Carse is but if he's fit then he comes in and I would rest one of the other seamers. Trevaskis in for Poynter would be my choice, but doubt it will happen. It seems with a combination of the square being relaid and the dry weather to date our traditional seam reliant bowling attack does not totally suit the conditions at the Riverside.
 
Ha’way man, you’d drop a bloke who is our second highest run scorer this season for a bloke who’s had about 5 goes at red ball batting and fails every time??

I don’t get this boards* fascination with Clark. White ball aye, but zero red ball pedigree whatsoever despite a hat full of chances.

*Granted, not everyone.

i don't rate burnham, clark is in great form for the seconds but the main is he can bowl a bit. i don't for a minute think it'll happen but just FYI clark has played quite a few less first class games than burnham but the same hundreds and about the same average.

there's only so many years you can pick a bloke for untapped potential. if he finally starts to fulfil it i'l be as happy as anyone but i don't have the same faith everyone else does of that happening
It seems with a combination of the square being relaid and the dry weather to date our traditional seam reliant bowling attack does not totally suit the conditions at the Riverside.

Can't really blame the square being relaid IMO when it was the same story in all three games - dominated for 3 days but couldn't take the wickets needed to win
 
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i don't rate burnham, clark is in great form for the seconds but the main is he can bowl a bit. i don't for a minute think it'll happen but just FYI clark has played quite a few less first class games than burnham but the same hundreds and about the same average.

there's only so many years you can pick a bloke for untapped potential. if he finally starts to fulfil it i'l be as happy as anyone but i don't have the same faith everyone else does of that happening


Can't really blame the square being relaid IMO when it was the same story in all three games - dominated for 3 days but couldn't take the wickets needed to win
I wouldn't use someone that has bowled 95 balls as justification either
 
i don't rate burnham, clark is in great form for the seconds but the main is he can bowl a bit. i don't for a minute think it'll happen but just FYI clark has played quite a few less first class games than burnham but the same hundreds and about the same average.

there's only so many years you can pick a bloke for untapped potential. if he finally starts to fulfil it i'l be as happy as anyone but i don't have the same faith everyone else does of that happening
Clark is three years older than Burnham, so in terms of ‘fulfilling’ potential, it could be argued Clark should’ve been let go of ages ago.

As for ‘bowl a bit’, I really don’t see Graham Clark suddenly becoming the difference. He’s not even a poor mans Gareth Harte.
 
Clark is three years older than Burnham, so in terms of ‘fulfilling’ potential, it could be argued Clark should’ve been let go of ages ago.

As for ‘bowl a bit’, I really don’t see Graham Clark suddenly becoming the difference. He’s not even a poor mans Gareth Harte.

I'd have let go of Burnham ages ago personally
 
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