I tell you, honestly, I will love it if they go down, love it so we could post shit like this come May
What else was on that google page? Because I typed that exact phrase and that was the only vaguely positive link. see articles from fourfourtwo, dreamteamfc (whatever that is), being critical, and if you look on further pages on Google, you see the same proportion. Even in that forum page I see people calling out the mistakes he's made, but blaming Newcastle fans for being deluded. Like blaming the audience because the movie's shit.Hmmm first link I found when I typed "Is Mike Ashley a bad owner" into google and this popped up from a Burnley forum. A lot of people on there saying he isnt as bad as mags make out and thats just the first page I looked at so that blows your argument out of the water straight away
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are they shite, it's just talksport cliche's and ill informed bollocks. But, because they're critical of a caricature of Newcastle fans, you're all over it like white on rice.
SeethingWhat else was on that google page? Because I typed that exact phrase and that was the only vaguely positive link. see articles from fourfourtwo, dreamteamfc (whatever that is), being critical, and if you look on further pages on Google, you see the same proportion. Even in that forum page I see people calling out the mistakes he's made, but blaming Newcastle fans for being deluded. Like blaming the audience because the movie's shit.
Using mag logic, Allardyce, Poyet, etc... didn’t keep us up. It was all down to the previous managers.Watching one of their vlogs the other night , 4 lads , to be fair they were good crack , knowledgable etc , until they started lauding Rafa as the messiah. Then one of came out with " Lets be clear RAFA DID NOT RELEGATE US --- McClaren did "
That's not logic, mag or otherwise.
It depends what you mean by good owner. How is that measured?Yes, the league table is to mark how you performed in that season against those teams. Your points total is something you can directly affect, nobody elses.
Blaming the fans for Ashley when, at first, he was welcomed with open arms, is ridiculous. It's his actions that reaped our reactions. He himself has admitted he's not been a good owner, that he's made many mistakes. If we say he's been bad, other fanbases say he's been bad, ex-managers and players have said he's bad, pundits and journalists have said he's bad, and Mike Ashley says he's been bad, why is it only Sunderland fans who don't agree?
We have a midtable team, with a Championship manager. A manager that no other PL side would have employed, and who would be avoided by a fair few in the second tier. We have that manager because Ashley can't pick a good manager unless they fall in his lap.
By your rationale, are Sunderland in League 1 because their fans deserve that?
. As the crowd was in the 15,000's then there must have been nearly 40,000 locked until Keegan came in a few weeks later and NUFC 1992 was born! In the 14 years of being the Premier League with Hall etc, starting with Keegan they averaged 8th position. Since Ashley came in they've averaged 14th. Strangely enough if you simply tot up all the positions they've been in that the average is just over 14th also and it was 15th prior to 1992.You mean the fourfourtwo who have to report on every club and probably only report the shite they see your fans come out with. Id rather trust a fans forum over them. Also I reckon any clubs forums will be saying the same, in fact most clubs fans will probably like to see you get relegated as you think you are bigger than you actually areWhat else was on that google page? Because I typed that exact phrase and that was the only vaguely positive link. see articles from fourfourtwo, dreamteamfc (whatever that is), being critical, and if you look on further pages on Google, you see the same proportion. Even in that forum page I see people calling out the mistakes he's made, but blaming Newcastle fans for being deluded. Like blaming the audience because the movie's shit.
Fake news.I've been killing time before out match and we all know about the Liverpool 4-3's but I didn't know about this cracker with the 89th minute winner with Alan Pardew popping up for Charlton
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It just shows how shit they really were and the low crowds they got yet they like to whitewash their history prior to 1992 and they've always been a 'top half' challenging team. They so nearly went down that year but Keegan saved them and the millions got pumped in chasing success. Yet in the 15 years prior they'd only finished as high as 8th in Div 1 and just the once. The next highest position was 11th and their average position for those 15 years was 24th so 2nd place in Div 2 given there was 22 teams in the league at that time.
They were last finished top 4 in Division way back in 1950-51 so not really a Champions League team regular if that had been around back then. If you add all their positions up after that 4th in 1950 until 1992, it's an average of 18th so borderline relegation
Hoying the numbers from here (You must be logged on to see external links) into Excel, here's a simple graph for us to laugh at showing the overall average position and the preceding 15 year average. Note they were 24th in 1992 yet they go on as if they're top half division team when in fact they're exactly where they belong in the bottom half
It's only in the last few years that their overall average position has gone above ours. Some may say this is TLDR or sad etc but this is just to show the dirty mags they aren't what they think they deserve and the simply bought a brief spell of success and if it wasn't for Mike Ashley they may well have been fucked financially. Until we got relegated in 1958 we averaged just over 7th and it was 1994-95 when we went above 10th so still 5 places above the Mag and it's now 12th.
Any they wonder why we call them deluded? This is the part of the reason why
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No you come on here as a wum and get the hump when your "argument" is proven wrong. As i've said its not "all about you" it's just that your comments are rubbish. I won't reply to you again on this as its like explaining how to drive to a dog!
They'llall be scrambling to their pc's trying to find "facts" to disprove this or argue that net spend over this time favours them and they had more big name managersI've been killing time before out match and we all know about the Liverpool 4-3's but I didn't know about this cracker with the 89th minute winner with Alan Pardew popping up for Charlton
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It just shows how shit they really were and the low crowds they got yet they like to whitewash their history prior to 1992 and they've always been a 'top half' challenging team. They so nearly went down that year but Keegan saved them and the millions got pumped in chasing success. Yet in the 15 years prior they'd only finished as high as 8th in Div 1 and just the once. The next highest position was 11th and their average position for those 15 years was 24th so 2nd place in Div 2 given there was 22 teams in the league at that time.
They were last finished top 4 in Division way back in 1950-51 so not really a Champions League team regular if that had been around back then. If you add all their positions up after that 4th in 1950 until 1992, it's an average of 18th so borderline relegation
Hoying the numbers from here (You must be logged on to see external links) into Excel, here's a simple graph for us to laugh at showing the overall average position and the preceding 15 year average. Note they were 24th in 1992 yet they go on as if they're top half division team when in fact they're exactly where they belong in the bottom half
It's only in the last few years that their overall average position has gone above ours. Some may say this is TLDR or sad etc but this is just to show the dirty mags they aren't what they think they deserve and the simply bought a brief spell of success and if it wasn't for Mike Ashley they may well have been fucked financially. Until we got relegated in 1958 we averaged just over 7th and it was 1994-95 when we went above 10th so still 5 places above the Mag and it's now 12th.
Any they wonder why we call them deluded? This is the part of the reason why
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You mean the fourfourtwo who have to report on every club and probably only report the shite they see your fans come out with. Id rather trust a fans forum over them. Also I reckon any clubs forums will be saying the same, in fact most clubs fans will probably like to see you get relegated as you think you are bigger than you actually are
'Deluded' fans hasn't stopped commercial improvements at Spurs, Wet Ham, Everton, Southampton, Leicester et al. All were on a par or far worse than us before Ashley bought the club.
Before Ashley bought the club you were a nothing club, you're still a nothing club.
