Any Other School Staff Going On Strike?

[palm 1]

They dont move about as much though surely?


Im no expert and half guessing but what state would early years kids come back in though? The younger age groups would be set back years.. especially the June-August birthdays.

They dont move about as much though surely?


Im no expert and half guessing but what state would early years kids come back in though? The younger age groups would be set back years.. especially the June-August birthdays.

Apparently from google , we send our kids to school earlier than most countries . In my opinion, it would do no harm sending kids to infants at 6 instead of 5 . The rest of the school population could then use the extra time for catching up on the studies lost .

 

[Roker Mackem]

Apparently from google , we send our kids to school earlier than most countries . In my opinion, it would do no harm sending kids to infants at 6 instead of 5 . The rest of the school population could then use the extra time for catching up on the studies lost .

Didnt know that about other countries.

 

[lawe toppa]

you don't see the irony in your own post? having a go at teachers in the first sentence, then saying people are arguing left right and centre in your next sentence.

there's a sliding scale of who should and shouldnt be at work. teachers and schools fall somewhere just short of nhs and supermarket workers. the country would literally fall apart without those people. the country could cope with the schools shut for 2 weeks.

the government should have announced this the week before xmas. 'all schools to shut for the first 2 weeks of january, classes to be taken remotely as much as possible'. simple. effective. not ideal, but everyone involved would have had 2 weeks over xmas to sort themselves out. and thats not using the benefit of hindsight, there was endless amounts of people campaigning for something similar all through decemeber


divide and conquer divide and conquer divide and conquer divide and conquer

the Tory wet-dream

I'm not arguing with anyone though just stating fact as that's what is happening so there is no irony in my post

 

[MonkeyLove]

We bumped into our neighbours on a walk to day. We are Tier 4 but not London (Hertfordshire) and our schools are due to reopen tomorrow. She works as a teaching assistant in a primary school and is dreading going back tomorrow, clearly did not want to. I hope for her peace of mind she doesn't.

Hertfordshire was rife I thought?

Not sure where, I used to live in Rickmansworth but no idea which parts

 

[Botchie]

There's no way I would allow my parents in their 70s near the school. I use breakfast club instead.

You're right though, the risks are very real.

There's nothing else we've been able to do. However due to the new variant we're now in a position to say no we aren't doing it. However, people think we are just being awkward and should be getting on with our jobs. We're doing what we should be doing and looking after our family.

 

[tunstallhill]

I'm not arguing with anyone though just stating fact as that's what is happening so there is no irony in my post

you made a point that if doctors, coppers and supermarket workers have to go to work, then so should teachers. its a complete irrelevance and antagonistic to the discussion.

 

[Deleted member 5265]

Hertfordshire was rife I thought?

Not sure where, I used to live in Rickmansworth but no idea which parts

We went T2 to T3 to T4 in 3 days pre Xmas. I do the Kings College/Zoe symptom tracker and it's gone from 'there are 200 cases in your area' on a daily basis to 'there are 2000 cases in your area' the past couple of days.

 

[AndrewP]

There's nothing else we've been able to do. However due to the new variant we're now in a position to say no we aren't doing it. However, people think we are just being awkward and should be getting on with our jobs. We're doing what we should be doing and looking after our family.

Sorry mate, didn't mean to word my post like a dig at you. You're clearly doing what you can.

 

[lawe toppa]

you made a point that if doctors, coppers and supermarket workers have to go to work, then so should teachers. its a complete irrelevance and antagonistic to the discussion.

It's not its relevant. All I am saying is that if other key workers did this then the country would grind to a halt. My daughters school is closed tomorrow to even key workers so that's the wife not able to attend work tomorrow.
Added to that the children have missed an awful lot of school last year and to miss even more is criminal

 

[tunstallhill]

It's not its relevant. All I am saying is that if other key workers did this then the country would grind to a halt. My daughters school is closed tomorrow to even key workers so that's the wife not able to attend work tomorrow.
Added to that the children have missed an awful lot of school last year and to miss even more is criminal

of course it's irrelevant. you can't just pick and chose who you compare teachers to. coppers/nurses/supermarket workers are in, so why aren't teachers. why not barbers? why not open the pubs? why aren't gyms open, if hospitals and supermarkets are open, then why aren't cinemas and restaurants?

each case needs its own risk assessment. can society function without cinemas and pubs? aye. can society function without hospitals, police and and a food supply? no

can this country cope for 2 weeks with the schools shut? aye. is the risk v reward going to be worth the inconvenience of that? in my opinion, aye it is.

but what the rest of the country is doing is irrelevant when it comes whether each individual place is open. each case is individual.

i work in construction and was furloughed for 3 weeks in april, and other than that i've not been off at all, and every building site is open and in full swing. why not just close all building sites and non-essential manufacturing? if the teachers are having 2 weeks off, then by your logic, sites and factories should be off for 2 weeks.

and, a big point that seems to be overlooked, the teachers aren't going to be 'off'. they are going to be teaching from home.

this whole problem is the sole responsibility of the government. and it has been purposely manipulated into this scenario, to make as many members of the public as possible blame teachers and schools

 

[lawe toppa]

My question remains and I think is valid that if because teachers won't work even affecting key worker children then we have a massive problem. What is going to change in 2 weeks that will make the teachers working environment safer than it was before xmas or even now??
You seem to be itching for an argument and you know what a short while ago I would of been more than happy to oblige but can't be bothered with it all now.

 

[Botchie]

Sorry mate, didn't mean to word my post like a dig at you. You're clearly doing what you can.

No need to apologise. You're doing what you need to do to keep your folks safe too.

 

[Don'tListenToTheHat]

My question remains and I think is valid that if because teachers won't work even affecting key worker children then we have a massive problem. What is going to change in 2 weeks that will make the teachers working environment safer than it was before xmas or even now??
You seem to be itching for an argument and you know what a short while ago I would of been more than happy to oblige but can't be bothered with it all now.

I can field this one. Teachers do want to work and can do this online however it’s impractical and not all children can access this.

Schools remain open for key worker children. We have done this throughout lockdown first time round.

What will have changed in two weeks? Well a total lockdown will stop children from mixing and a current isolation period is 10 days (right?) so it goes without saying the chance for infections being up will be down.

 

[tunstallhill]

My question remains and I think is valid that if because teachers won't work even affecting key worker children then we have a massive problem. What is going to change in 2 weeks that will make the teachers working environment safer than it was before xmas or even now??
You seem to be itching for an argument and you know what a short while ago I would of been more than happy to oblige but can't be bothered with it all now.

i think the arrangement most schools are going for, is to have a small amount of staff in each day to allow key worker kids to come in

I can field this one. Teachers do want to work and can do this online however it’s impractical and not all children can access this.

Schools remain open for key worker children. We have done this throughout lockdown first time round.

What will have changed in two weeks? Well a total lockdown will stop children from mixing and a current isolation period is 10 days (right?) so it goes without saying the chance for infections being up will be down.

a 2 week break in school transmissions, whatever the percentage of the total that is, will be a massive help to the country. we can't shut down hospitals or supermarkets, the schools seem like an area where we can 'win' a few less cases

 

[lawe toppa]

i think the arrangement most schools are going for, is to have a small amount of staff in each day to allow key worker kids to come in

Well my daughters school tomorrow does not, we found out via a txt message today at 3pm...disgusting.
The school is closed tomorrow to all children so how many key workers will be missing from work and so on?
I'm not saying there is an easy solution but as I've stated if all other key workers did this then we would be in a mess

 

[Don'tListenToTheHat]

Well my daughters school tomorrow does not, we found out via a txt message today at 3pm...disgusting.
The school is closed tomorrow to all children so how many key workers will be missing from work and so on?
I'm not saying there is an easy solution but as I've stated if all other key workers did this then we would be in a mess

This is surprising and is the only time I’ve heard of this. Did they have a training day booked tomorrow? Have you spoken to the council about this because if that school is closed and there are closures around the rest of the area then surely some arrangements could be made?

Imagine if this had been sorted earlier though and some contingency plans could’ve been put in place.

 

[lawe toppa]

I can field this one. Teachers do want to work and can do this online however it’s impractical and not all children can access this.

Schools remain open for key worker children. We have done this throughout lockdown first time round.

What will have changed in two weeks? Well a total lockdown will stop children from mixing and a current isolation period is 10 days (right?) so it goes without saying the chance for infections being up will be down.

No my school.is shut for all children even key workers.
You think kids wont be mixing when not at school? Just walk around the streets and see the amount of teens hanging around together no social distancing etc.
What's wrong with bringing in testing for kids as planned? It means the kids that ate not infected can stay in school and the infected children can isolate

 

[Mowgli]

No my school.is shut for all children even key workers.
You think kids wont be mixing when not at school? Just walk around the streets and see the amount of teens hanging around together no social distancing etc.
What's wrong with bringing in testing for kids as planned? It means the kids that ate not infected can stay in school and the infected children can isolate

But if a kid tested positive. Their whole class would isolate and not 'stay at school wouldn't they?

And as for kids mixing outside of school... that comes down to the parents responsibility.

 

[lawe toppa]

This is surprising and is the only time I’ve heard of this. Did they have a training day booked tomorrow? Have you spoken to the council about this because if that school is closed and there are closures around the rest of the area then surely some arrangements could be made?

Imagine if this had been sorted earlier though and some contingency plans could’ve been put in place.

Mate have tried getting hold of anyone from the council after 3pm on a Sunday afternoon??
I emailed in to the school and the head rang me at 9pm tonight to which I was grateful.
He could not say too much but is hoping for a solution tomorrow to get the school opened this week and totally understood where I was coming from.
It did seem to me that the tail is wagging the dog and he seemed genuinely upset about the situation but that still didnt help us

But if a kid tested positive. Their whole class would isolate and not 'stay at school wouldn't they?

And as for kids mixing outside of school... that comes down to the parents responsibility.

No isn't the idea to get the rapid tests and the kids in bubbles to minimise the impact of potential outbreaks

 

[Don'tListenToTheHat]

No my school.is shut for all children even key workers.
You think kids wont be mixing when not at school? Just walk around the streets and see the amount of teens hanging around together no social distancing etc.
What's wrong with bringing in testing for kids as planned? It means the kids that ate not infected can stay in school and the infected children can isolate

For your first point, that sounds tricky and you have my sympathy. I don’t know what the circumstances are around your kid’s school there so don’t have an answer.
As for people or kids flouting rules, that’s a risk we take with everything. People are/have been breaking rules currently. You’d expect most people seeing schools shut to just stay at home as that’s the instruction.
Testing they’re putting in place. Secondary schools are preparing that this week hence why they’re closed for a week (I think? I’m not secondary so don’t know a lot.)

Mate have tried getting hold of anyone from the council after 3pm on a Sunday afternoon??
I emailed in to the school and the head rang me at 9pm tonight to which I was grateful.
He could not say too much but is hoping for a solution tomorrow to get the school opened this week and totally understood where I was coming from.
It did seem to me that the tail is wagging the dog and he seemed genuinely upset about the situation but that still didnt help us

Yeah I absolutely get that. It’s a horrible situation for you mate like I said. There’ll be a lot of people put out by these decisions but the lack of foresight is the issue here and that comes from the top IMO.