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When do we start talking about Jos Buttler?

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TheRey said:
Id argue that being able to keep well in SL actually shows that you are an exceptional keeper, so for me you can absolutely tick the box that says "best WK"

You're right about the quality of attack he has faced, but the only way we can have a wider sample size is actually giving him games.
And given Buttlers form with the bat from the winter of 2018 onwards, you cannot use runs/batting as the reason for selection, but Jos' stats make a mockery of that!
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He is the best wicket keeper. Jack Russell was against Stewart and even Bob Taylor was probably better than Allan Knott who was still very good. However as things stand Foakes last test series against the WI he was hopeless against quick bowling and had a rubbish season against all attacks last year. As for Buttler he is struggling with his keeping but has just won a game for us and had 3 good knocks in a row. He's going nowhere at the moment.
 

rentaghost said:
He is the best wicket keeper. Jack Russell was against Stewart and even Bob Taylor was probably better than Allan Knott who was still very good. However as things stand Foakes last test series against the WI he was hopeless against quick bowling and had a rubbish season against all attacks last year. As for Buttler he is struggling with his keeping but has just won a game for us and had 3 good knocks in a row. He's going nowhere at the moment.
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He is indeed going nowhere. And rightly so.

I still don’t think he should have started the summer, and I don’t think he’s the right solution.
 
And I still think he is quality player who has the ability to adapt his tactics and game plan to what is required in any game situation which is what cricket is about for me.

And has more about him than the bare stats suggest and is a team player who puts the team first and foremost and would rather have that type of player than a average Joe, that maybe bats one way and had 5 or 6 average runs better than him.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
And I still think he is quality player who has the ability to adapt his tactics and game plan to what is required in any game situation which is what cricket is about for me.

And has more about him than the bare stats suggest and is a team player who puts the team first and foremost and would rather have that type of player than a average Joe, that maybe bats one way and had 5 or 6 average runs better than him.
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Can you give me examples of where he has batted aggressively like he does in one day stuff? He scratches around a lot for me, he doesn’t know his game in red ball cricket
 
chunkylover53 said:
Can you give me examples of where he has batted aggressively like he does in one day stuff? He scratches around a lot for me, he doesn’t know his game in red ball cricket
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That’s my point in the main he has come in when we have been in trouble so has had the intelligence to realise he can’t just play his natural game all the time,like he did in the first innings of the last test match were he dug in and battled, then he the second innings he quickly realised even though in similar trouble digging in would not be the right tactics as we were too far behind and changed tactics and batted a completely different way.

I get it regarding his stats, but he has the ability to do that and change tactics, and weigh up the game situation.

That to me is very important in a cricketer rather than just playing one way every game.
 
Voice of fair play said:
That’s my point in the main he has come in when we have been in trouble so has had the intelligence to realise he can’t just play his natural game all the time,like he did in the first innings of the last test match were he dug in and battled, then he the second innings he quickly realised even though in similar trouble digging in would not be the right tactics as we were too far behind and changed tactics and batted a completely different way.

I get it regarding his stats, but he has the ability to do that and change tactics, and way up the game situation.

That to me is very important in a cricketer rather than just playing one way every game.
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Fair enough. But I just don’t see it. For me he has scratched round a lot, 30 off 70/80 balls. And then nicked off.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Fair enough. But I just don’t see it. For me he has scratched round a lot, 30 off 70/80 balls. And then nicked off.
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He has on occasions I agree, but would have been nice coming in when the game situation has been us been on top allowing him to play his natural game more, which imo has not happened that often.

He has either come in when we have been in trouble or protecting the tail.
 
chunkylover53 said:
That’s the nature of batting 7 I’m afraid. Batting with the tail.
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Yeah of course.

I think with Buttler which has always been my opinion of him, since watching him as a kid is that he gives you that something extra that is not always reflected in just stats alone.

I think he is very intelligent cricketer and I am biased and possibly not objective with him, because I like cricketers who can play all the shots and play all the formats and who can change games and I think he falls into that catergory.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah of course.

I think with Buttler which has always been my opinion of him, since watching him as a kid is that he gives you that something extra that is not always reflected in just stats alone.

I think he is very intelligent cricketer and I am biased and possibly not objective with him, because I like cricketers who can play all the shots and play all the formats and who can change games and I think he falls into that catergory.
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Fair enough. We can agree to disagree
 
rentaghost said:
I'm sorry mate. I've always supported you on here but we were having a good debate about Jos (I share similar views to you actually) and you have just come out of nowhere, having not been on for ages full of aggression and completely spoiling the thread. I don't know whats got into you.
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dixonsafc said:
How's he getting on in this test lads?
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apparently the lad who averages 23 in the C.C last year would have done evenbetter

also Buttler now averages more thanRory Burns

not comparing the 2 just shows you the bias certain posterson here have

where are the constant Burns threads?
 
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Fantastic stuff from Jos. When England chose Buttler to keep wicket they did so recognising that he was nowhere near the best keeper in the country but they felt as an overall package he would be the best bet. They made this choice when they selected Prior, Bairstow and Stewart in the past. Those criticising his keeping should look at some of the drops Prior made in his early series keeping wicket and breaking the world byes record in the WI. Stewart being told by commentators his eyes had gone and his keeping wasn’t good enough years before he finished and he had some of his best cricket to come. It’s always a risk that Buttlers keeping may cost us a test as it was with those keepers before him. However the benefit of having a cricketer like that in your team far outweighs having a specialist keeper. The last test was a great example of where not having the best keeper could cost you but it also showed the advantage of having 2 strings to your bow. In general though his poor keeping has been overplayed, he is competent but out of form. There had been no real complaints about his keeping until recently but he will know that he needs to improve.
 
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