Jacob Young

[parsonjohn1985]

#120,000 is the max you can get -

Compensation formula for academy players when joining another club
Age group of player Category of club academy leaving Applicable annual fixed fee - new club to pay
U9 to U11 All Categories £3,000
U12 to U16 Category 1 £40,000
U12 to U16 Category 2 £25,000
U12 to U16 Category 3 £12,500

Academy football: Zac Brunt case - is £120,000 fee for a 15-year-old what really happens?


Of course sometimes the big fish spit out the wrong morsels, like Chelsea letting Rice go at 14-15, was mentioend today as 80m quids worth

You can do other things though. For example we've got a sell on attached to the kid who went to Liverpool. Reportedly till he turns 21.

Or you can talk about their kids who might be worth having a look at, like Bainbridge

 

[RichD]

and the c;lubs in the higher leagues may also have the elite academy.

And when they sign for a higher league club, agents can then tout them around for even more money when the time is right

 

[kildaremackem]

There is a lot of stuff in there I disagree with but staying on topic, it is medium and long term, are we starting it now? If so, and we have short term losses then I'm fine with that. What I have read suggests it isn't something being correctly implemented.

well yes indeed. one of the most important roles in a club is transition manager (thats not what its called but its the role between the first team and the academy..steve bould has just been appointed to it at arsenal) and certainly we dont have that now-either in terms of personnell or in practice..without that structure-you will never get full value from your academy.
I think stockdale did a role somewhat like that at safc once...rthen when he got promoted to first team coach essentially it wasnt replaced-i could be wrong about that though. The mistake some clubs make is they think the u23s manager is automatically the transition manager-but thats notnescessarily the case-its someting of a different skillset.

 

[parsonjohn1985]

tbf
Sunderland (4-4-2): Stryjek; J Robson, Love, Beadling, Hume; Gooch (Gamble 76), Embleton, E Robson (Molyneux 46), Greenwood (Nelson 60); Maja, Asoro.

we seen most of them but let a few go

Honestly that should have been the core of our squad last year.

Asoro and Beadling left, possibly because we loaned awful players ahead of them the year before. Embleton and Robson were worth playing. Hume and Gooch obviously did play. Nelson I'd have given a go too

 

[kildaremackem]

Honestly that should have been the core of our squad last year.

Asoro and Beadling left, possibly because we loaned awful players ahead of them the year before. Embleton and Robson were worth playing. Hume and Gooch obviously did play. Nelson I'd have given a go too

where beadling went to indiates he wouldnt have been up to it-asoro got enough game time with us to get a move to a higher division. id have kept nelson for sure-baffled by that decision.

 

[Coeus]

and because we have an elite academy but play in League 1 we'll see this happening again. Btw I don't like this as much as you but unless the players want to stay clubs from higher leagues will always tempt players with better deals.

As for this kid, in particular, being 19, you're right, someone could offer him a better deal although I don't think it applies to this one. He won't be on a great deal at Hoffenheim given his history.

We can only assume but I think he'd be over the moon to move from a club down on its luck and being nowhere near the first team.

On a wider point, those that were wrong about clubs being able to cherry pick players at schoolboy age also said it was against the law to provide further financial gain above the flat wage. I'm not sure either way but had we used our financial margin this season on current players and infrastructure, I believe we would have a higher asset base than after signing a couple of flops.

 

[kildaremackem]

As for this kid, in particular, being 19, you're right, someone could offer him a better deal although I don't think it applies to this one. He won't be on a great deal at Hoffenheim given his history.

We can only assume but I think he'd be over the moon to move from a club down on its luck and being nowhere near the first team.

On a wider point, those that were wrong about clubs being able to cherry pick players at schoolboy age also said it was against the law to provide further financial gain above the flat wage. I'm not sure either way but had we used our financial margin this season on current players and infrastructure, I believe we would have a higher asset base than after signing a couple of flops.

The academy budget did rise this yea.

 

[Junior Birdman]

Be keeping an eye on that if I was you marra.

 

[Coeus]

this is right-but when we do it-our fans say we are touting the players around-they are in the sense that they want lots of bidders-but it only happens after the player stated in writing they want to leave.

And we have had first-hand accounts saying that isn't as straight forward as you may think.

 

[Bulmers]

where beadling went to indiates he wouldnt have been up to it-asoro got enough game time with us to get a move to a higher division. id have kept nelson for sure-baffled by that decision.

i don't know the details of each player but i'd have preferred us to use money keeping potential rather than spend money on division 1 specalists like wyke, loven and griggs etc.

 

[kildaremackem]

And we have had first-hand accounts saying that isn't as straight forward as you may think.

i dont ant to go into this-but we havrnt had first hand accounts-we have had people saying they knew someone-or peopel purptoing t be people.,they may be telling the trusth-but they arent first hand accounts.

i don't know the details of each player but i'd have preferred us to use money keeping potential rather than spend money on division 1 specalists like wyke, loven and griggs etc.

but if we played beadling (who plays in the scottish lower leagues now) he would have been out of his depth and we would have finsihed lower down the leagues and been less atractive to young players.

 

[Coeus]

The academy budget did rise this yea.

They spoke of it being the intention, they also spoke of some other things that didn't happen.

It will rise next year as there will be more staff as dictated by the requirements of Cat 1. While I'm glad they are allocating the money, I shan't be back patting because rules are the reason for further staff.

i dont ant to go into this-but we havrnt had first hand accounts-we have had people saying they knew someone-or peopel purptoing t be people.,they may be telling the trusth-but they arent first hand accounts.

It was the boy's mother or at least they said they were. That's as first hand as it comes.

 

[kildaremackem]

They spoke of it being the intention, they also spoke of some other things that didn't happen.

It will rise next year as there will be more staff as dictated by the requirements of Cat 1. While I'm glad they are allocating the money, I shan't be back patting because rules are the reason for further staff.

well we can verify they increased somwehet this year the budget-because they replaced one staff member (sinclair) with two ball and reid. I know reid was already an employee-biut not in the academy. any other evidence the academy budget hasnt gone up?

 

[RichD]

i don't know the details of each player but i'd have preferred us to use money keeping potential rather than spend money on division 1 specalists like wyke, loven and griggs etc.

Aye, but are you and others prepared to wait around possibly years in league 1 while young lads mature

 

[Coeus]

well we can verify they increased somwehet this year the budget-because they replaced one staff member (sinclair) with two ball and reid. I know reid was already an employee-biut not in the academy. any other evidence the academy budget hasnt gone up?

Evidence? Shouldn't that be the other way round?

Sinclair being a friend of Bain and his employment history will have been on a lot more than Reid.

Ball's actual duties are very wishy-washy, nothing to suggest his terms will have been increased.

People at that level have been let go and they're now operating on what looks like a skeleton staff. Again, they will rise next year as the authorities have stated they must to keep Cat 1.

 

[kildaremackem]

Evidence? Shouldn't that be the other way round?

Sinclair being a friend of Bain and his employment history will have been on a lot more than Reid.

Ball's actual duties are very wishy-washy, nothing to suggest his terms will have been increased.

People at that level have been let go and they're now operating on what looks like a skeleton staff. Again, they will rise next year as the authorities have stated they must to keep Cat 1.

i didnt suggest balls terms would be increased-what I mean is-his wage wouldnt previously have been coming out of the academy budget-it is now, i agree sinclair sinclair was probab;y on more than reid like. and im not particularly a fan of reid.

 

[Bulmers]

Aye, but are you and others prepared to wait around possibly years in league 1 while young lads mature

i'd have preferred to spend a couple of years with the kids than go up in one with deadwood. Honestly i think if we had kept asoro and maja we would have been promoted

 

[RichD]

i'd have preferred to spend a couple of years with the kids than go up in one with deadwood. Honestly i think if we had kept asoro and maja we would have been promoted

But the both of them wanted to leave, Asoro couldn't wait to go.

Plus if we try and build a team long term, what's stopping a club from a higher league coming in and cherry picking our talent. We need to get out of this league ASAP to keep hold of our better players..

 

[Coeus]

Aye, but are you and others prepared to wait around possibly years in league 1 while young lads mature

I said at the start I would, many more said they wouldn't. How would we be any worse off regardless?

We would be better off financially and have better assets and strategies instead of bolstering fans perceptions, many of whom have blown there top regardless due to failing to be promoted.

 

[kildaremackem]

I said at the start I would, many more said they wouldn't. How would we be any worse off regardless?

We would be better off financially and have better assets and strategies instead of bolstering fans perceptions, many of whom have blown there top regardless due to failing to be promoted.

but would the assets be worth more if we were seloing them as a league one club?
i mean-certainly-im baffled at some of the decisions-I

but would the assets be worth more if we were seloing them as a league one club?
i mean-certainly-im baffled at some of the decisions-I

would have played kimpi more than streling and i would have kept nelson-for the sake of a small fee for the latter-we should have held on for a bit-nevause if he didnt almost anyting at league oen level the fee would be higher.