Met Police stop and search methods?

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Bluepaul said:
It falls under reasonable force, if it went to court that's exactly what they'd be discussing, you already know this.

Pedant and an arrogant fuckwit, you must be hours of fun.
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So you still haven’t answered my question.

You were calling people stupid earlier despite you being so arrogant that you can’t even admit you are wrong, I even gave you the actual legislation that you seem to think covers it and you still can’t answer my question as well as getting confused between guidelines and legislation.

Some Random Guy said:
Lad looked was acting up pulling away imo. If he was being compliant he wouldn't have been hit with the baton that was being blatantly brandished.

@duff_man is it common for the hands to be cuffed in front like that?
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Two main options are front stack or rear stack, another option is back to back which is back of the hands together behind the back. I don’t like using back to back as it is painful and cuffs aren’t primarily designed to be used as pain compliance, just to restrain.
The arresting officer can choose which position they want to use cuffs in, front stack is more comfortable and still gives a range of movement so if someone is still violent that option is ruled out, I have seen a couple of serious injuries sustained by police and public from people handcuffed to the front hitting out. Sometimes people get nicked without cuffs being used at all, as seen here sometimes people in cuffs still get baton strikes or CS’d. Every situation is different and it is up to the officer using the force to justify why they have used that level.

HABA87 said:
Ok if they're stacked (I think that's what you cal it - arms pointing in different directions horizontally ???)

It's not ideal how these are on, but at least they're on.
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Anyone violent shouldn’t be front stacked, the detained person still has quite a bit of movement in their arms and can punch out or lash out using the cuffs as a weapon
 
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duff_man said:
So you still haven’t answered my question.

You were calling people stupid earlier despite you being so arrogant that you can’t even admit you are wrong, I even gave you the actual legislation that you seem to think covers it and you still can’t answer my question as well as getting confused between guidelines and legislation.



Two main options are front stack or rear stack, another option is back to back which is back of the hands together behind the back. I don’t like using back to back as it is painful and cuffs aren’t primarily designed to be used as pain compliance, just to restrain.
The arresting officer can choose which position they want to use cuffs in, front stack is more comfortable and still gives a range of movement so if someone is still violent that option is ruled out, I have seen a couple of serious injuries sustained by police and public from people handcuffed to the front hitting out. Sometimes people get nicked without cuffs being used at all, as seen here sometimes people in cuffs still get baton strikes or CS’d. Every situation is different and it is up to the officer using the force to justify why they have used that level.



Anyone violent shouldn’t be front stacked, the detained person still has quite a bit of movement in their arms and can punch out or lash out using the cuffs as a weapon
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The most effective method must be a wrist to ankle stack.

Opposite wrist to opposite ankle too.
 
Bluepaul said:

Got the 17yo in cuffs and decided to use the baton to get him to the floor, Police being cowardly shitbags as per.

Teenager arrested on suspicion of assaulting police officer in Romford as footage goes viral on social media
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Like anything either way , you need to know the build up,,,? As has been said a small piece of the " action"might not give the full picture?..

Bluepaul said:
He had hold of him whilst he's in handcuffs, oh well some think it's ok I don't, it's cowardly.



He's 17yo, have we changed the definition?
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Some canny big 17 year owlds these days who i wouldnt like a clout off...mind im soft as!
 
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duff_man said:
So you still haven’t answered my question.

You were calling people stupid earlier despite you being so arrogant that you can’t even admit you are wrong, I even gave you the actual legislation that you seem to think covers it and you still can’t answer my question as well as getting confused between guidelines and legislation.



Two main options are front stack or rear stack, another option is back to back which is back of the hands together behind the back. I don’t like using back to back as it is painful and cuffs aren’t primarily designed to be used as pain compliance, just to restrain.
The arresting officer can choose which position they want to use cuffs in, front stack is more comfortable and still gives a range of movement so if someone is still violent that option is ruled out, I have seen a couple of serious injuries sustained by police and public from people handcuffed to the front hitting out. Sometimes people get nicked without cuffs being used at all, as seen here sometimes people in cuffs still get baton strikes or CS’d. Every situation is different and it is up to the officer using the force to justify why they have used that level.



Anyone violent shouldn’t be front stacked, the detained person still has quite a bit of movement in their arms and can punch out or lash out using the cuffs as a weapon
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In a scrap though they go on as they go on. Rear stack is taught up here as noncompliant rear cuffing technique. Back to back is compliant despite back to back being umcomfortble. Not for the non-flexible or the bigger than normal :lol:

Would never cuff like that video. Everyone gets the video of the female cop getting assaulted by the lad sat in the car.

Problem is, that the armchair CID dont know is how he has him cuffed is it may not have been an option and like that he has power still in his arms. Its near on impossible to get control and force to ground. Trying to 'sweep a leg' only puts yourself off balance and open. Gas would have been my option here but the cop would be able to justify strikes.
 
BlackOps said:
In a scrap though they go on as they go on. Rear stack is taught up here as noncompliant rear cuffing technique. Back to back is compliant despite back to back being umcomfortble. Not for the non-flexible or the bigger than normal :lol:

Would never cuff like that video. Everyone gets the video of the female cop getting assaulted by the lad sat in the car.

Problem is, that the armchair CID dont know is how he has him cuffed is it may not have been an option and like that he has power still in his arms. Its near on impossible to get control and force to ground. Trying to 'sweep a leg' only puts yourself off balance and open. Gas would have been my option here but the cop would be able to justify strikes.
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Very true, I have cuffed people in all sorts of ways, even cuffed someone to a railing before so I could gas his mate. Not taught but when the gloves are off any way goes, and would happily stand up in front of a bench or jury and explain why I did what I did.

I hate back to back, very uncomfortable and very restrictive, leaves yourself wide open to injury claims in my opinion.
 
BlackOps said:
In a scrap though they go on as they go on. Rear stack is taught up here as noncompliant rear cuffing technique. Back to back is compliant despite back to back being umcomfortble. Not for the non-flexible or the bigger than normal :lol:

Would never cuff like that video. Everyone gets the video of the female cop getting assaulted by the lad sat in the car.

Problem is, that the armchair CID dont know is how he has him cuffed is it may not have been an option and like that he has power still in his arms. Its near on impossible to get control and force to ground. Trying to 'sweep a leg' only puts yourself off balance and open. Gas would have been my option here but the cop would be able to justify strikes.
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He best hope he can :lol:
 
Titus said:
He best hope he can :lol:
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Of course. Given that there is probably more to the incident thats whats just filmed. Could probably justify just from the footage but filling in the rest of the NDM with all the other stuff the cop knew will make it easier. Armchair CID squad will know that though. They will have got him into a judo hold within seconds because hes in cuffs. Apparantly people are easy to handle in cuffs.

Source on twitter says suspect made admission and apologised to officer following
 
BlackOps said:
Of course. Given that there is probably more to the incident thats whats just filmed. Could probably justify just from the footage but filling in the rest of the NDM with all the other stuff the cop knew will make it easier. Armchair CID squad will know that though. They will have got him into a judo hold within seconds because hes in cuffs. Apparantly people are easy to handle in cuffs.

Source on twitter says suspect made admission and apologised to officer following
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These threads are always amusing for the reason in your first statement. Nobody knows what happened before, or how it happened. Looked OTT on camera but you'd imagine given the fact his baton is brandished that way that he was justified. Hopefully the case anyway.
 
surely there must have been some compliance in the first place to get the cuffs on? If there wasn't compliance then I'd expect that one officer would have to floor the suspect before getting them on? Canny difficult to get the cuffs on a suspect that's still standing and not complying?

I've restrained folk of similar age/height/build and never once resorted to the use of a big metal weapon.
 
I’m not judging the specific case in the video, just a general thought about the police-

I’m 52 years old, and neither I nor anyone I know has ever been struck or even treated roughly by a police officer.

Funny, that...

I once saw a couple of car thieves get pinned to the ground and arrested. They were screaming like bairns, but the coppers were merely restraining them.

From this, using basic logic, I conclude that if you’re a law abiding citizen, or perhaps naughty but don’t resist arrest, then you are staggeringly unlikely to be spontaneously clobbered by a policeman. Maybe that’s a naive view, but that’s an opinion formed by my own experiences.
 
Doberman said:
surely there must have been some compliance in the first place to get the cuffs on? If there wasn't compliance then I'd expect that one officer would have to floor the suspect before getting them on? Canny difficult to get the cuffs on a suspect that's still standing and not complying?

I've restrained folk of similar age/height/build and never once resorted to the use of a big metal weapon.
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You should volunteer your services to the police and teach them all how to do it properly
 
Bluepaul said:
He had a child in cuffs and had hold of him, there's absolutely no need for using a baton on him. There's members of the public talking about ringing 999 to get help to stop it.



It's what's been reported by the Police themselves.
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Child? At the age of 17 you can go to war and/or get married. Full disclosure: having been married since 1991, I'd rather go to war.
 
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