Pseudonym Number 1
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Another poor tax, all hail our tory overlords.
London congestion charge.. death of the diesel car
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FootballFan
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I'll not be driving in London but thats ridiculous.
FC United of Manchester
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If it's as bad as being made out then why not just ban cars altogether (excepting buses, taxis, delivery vehicles).
It's like saying you are allowed to poison my kids as long as you pay £12.50 for the privilege.!
It's like saying you are allowed to poison my kids as long as you pay £12.50 for the privilege.!
squashjoe
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Down to Mayor Khan mate. #Khanage.
Deleted User 2893
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I am all for the environment being cleaned up but this is just a revenue making scam under the guise of being for the environment.
If Khants aim was truely to cut pollution then the most polluting of vehicles would be banned totally and not ‘allowed if you can afford it’.
This was talked about loads on LBC last week and workies were saying about their vans being in the chargeable group now so they would have to pass the extra onto the customer, some lentil muncher came on saying they should all be using bikes! Someone from the mayors office was keen to point out a scrappage scheme that gets about a 6 grand subsidy but failed to point out that the electric vans would cost about 60 grand.
If Khants aim was truely to cut pollution then the most polluting of vehicles would be banned totally and not ‘allowed if you can afford it’.
This was talked about loads on LBC last week and workies were saying about their vans being in the chargeable group now so they would have to pass the extra onto the customer, some lentil muncher came on saying they should all be using bikes! Someone from the mayors office was keen to point out a scrappage scheme that gets about a 6 grand subsidy but failed to point out that the electric vans would cost about 60 grand.
West_Winger
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Low emissions zones are ok in principle but when you can drive a massive 4.8 litre V8 turbo Porsche SUV for free and get charged £12.50 for using a Golf diesel then the whole thing is fucked.
They have already started a low emission zone in Glasgow. Buses at the moment, but phasing it in for commercial vehicles and then private over the next few years.
PTR
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Which, tbh, makes it worth trading in.
People are actually dying because of this. Something has to be done. I'm not saying it must be this, but it has to be something, and urgently.
the dark one
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They can't have it always. Sick of hearing how London has a population of 8million \ or a eighth of England's population. That's grand, crack on. Whilst the UK remains london centric,they'll have to put up with it. The charge mentioned is fuckin crazy mind.
5underland
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Newcastle are going to be doing this soon as well.
roker beach
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Diesel isn’t good for our lungs and the government could have sorted it with scrappages, incentives and pricing. As it is, they have sat on their hands and even frozen duties year after year for diesel as well as petrol.
That has meant it has been left to the cities to do something about it, and no doubt they will take the blame for whatever measures they introduce.
That has meant it has been left to the cities to do something about it, and no doubt they will take the blame for whatever measures they introduce.
squashjoe
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Not long back Goverments were telling us to buy diesel motors.
Rick O Shea
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On a related issue - I'm not convinced that this huge push towards all electric / phasing out ICE is a great idea. The infrastructure isn't there (in rural areas at least) for all electric and people will end up keeping older, dirtier cars on the road. They should be looking at a more balanced policy with a variety of fuel types rather putting all the eggs in one basket.
For now it is the same as the congestion zone and from 2021 it is the area between the north and south circulars.
The poorest won't have cars, but there is still a swathe of people, likely minimum wage type workers who run ten year old plus cars, bought for maybe £1500 or less, not everybody gets company cars or can afford those modern hire purchase type deals. Seems harsh, they can't afford to replace their car and they can't afford to keep it either.
Petrol cars can fail the Ulez test too.
I think it would be £25 a day currently. It is only the congestion zone that is ulez now. So £12.50 congestion charge and £12.50 Ulez . The fan will be hit in 18 months time when a much larger area will be ulez.
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Wicksy
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Exactly this- it's purely a money making scheme. As you say, if they are serious about cutting the pollution they would simply ban the vehicles rather than lay a charge
Deleted User 2893
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Low emissions zones are very good so long as any vehicle that doesn’t meet the criteria are banned from the zone.
Horatio Pugwash
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A few years ago we were being encouraged to buy diesel cars
And face riots on the street. It has to be done incrementally.
What we need is dynamic road user charging system where you're charged on emissions plus distance travelled. I'm not sure why it hasn't been tested yet, the tech is there, I guess the initial costs will be high.
I also have zero issue with TfL recouping money from those who drive through London. They are financially screwed and are at the stage where public transport fares are now subsiding road maintenance in London, that's a joke.
Horatio Pugwash
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I think this new tax would be accepted more readily if every penny of it was used to actively reduce pollution by other means.
It just looks like a money making scheme at the moment
It just looks like a money making scheme at the moment
Don’t see how Uber can do that as I can’t remember ever getting one in London that wasn’t a Prius or similar hybrid. How much of that will go to the drivers?
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