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People were wrong about Short ...

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cosmicchris00 said:
In the cold light of day he was an abject failure as chairman/owner.

He may have had the best interests of the club at heart but in football business terms, he couldn't run a bath.

Sorry if that ruffles feathers but there you go
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It's all about opinions mate, if people have a problem with that they shouldn't be on here.

durham.mackem said:
Loved him when we went to Wembley, hated him when we got relegated twice on the bounce. That's football for ya!
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mysticmackem said:
Short?..... Short who?
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Precisely - he's gone, let's move on.

He clearly had no idea how to run a football club and the clowns he appointed to do it for him were totally incompetent, and as Chairman he has to carry that can. Yes he wrote off the debt, yes he would probably have been better off had he let us go into administration, so yes, at least he acted honourably in the end.

But we're a different club now, appear to have owners who care, have a vision and have a plan, so hopefully we've turned a corner.

Short is in the past, we are where we are, forget him and move on.
 
monty in command said:
Precisely - he's gone, let's move on.

He clearly had no idea how to run a football club and the clowns he appointed to do it for him were totally incompetent, and as Chairman he has to carry that can. Yes he wrote off the debt, yes he would probably have been better off had he let us go into administration, so yes, at least he acted honourably in the end.

But we're a different club now, appear to have owners who care, have a vision and have a plan, so hopefully we've turned a corner.

Short is in the past, we are where we are, forget him and move on.
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Happy to move on but he's part of our history like Murray and Cowie who we still discuss.

I'm not advocating a statue, just a discussion ;)
 
niceonemarra said:
He made some grave mistakes and those mistakes left our club riddled from top to bottom with absolute incompetence. He didnt do that on purpose though as there is no way anyone would do that after making such a huge investment in the club. He admitted his mistakes and more than made up for it. I dont blame him I blame the people he hired they all let him down very badly. He evidently learned by his mistakes I mean look at us now, we are an absolutely brilliant club through and through even if we are in league 1. Onwards and upwards.
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We’re a brilliant club under our new management! We were a laughing stock under Short! The only thing he did well was to sell. He put his hand in his pocket to pay for his own incompetence.

Reiver said:
Not a fantastic weekend at Wembley?
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Yes ok, one bright spot amongst a whole cascade of gloom! You can find odd games..... against the Mags, Chelsea, Everton...... but they don’t cover up the dire shitness of his entire reign.
 
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Didn’t have a clue how to run a football club. Charlie Methven said at a meeting I went to that he’s met people from Shorts other businesses, said they’re really efficient, knowledgeable, hard business people who know that they’re doing. Then he met Margaret Byrne and the first thing he thought to himself was ‘how the fuck did Ellis give her a job?’.

Says it all.
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
Yes ok, one bright spot amongst a whole cascade of gloom! You can find odd games..... against the Mags, Chelsea, Everton...... but they don’t cover up the dire shitness of his entire reign.
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So, not nothing then.

To be fair mate, how many times have you been to Wembley, for a major cup final, with Sunderland?
 
Reiver said:
So, not nothing then.

To be fair mate, how many times have you been to Wembley, for a major cup final, with Sunderland?
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That doesnt mean we should all be rejoicing in his leadership. He was a complete disaster, he embarrassed the fans for years and destroyed the club from top to bottom. Sorry like but a cup final isn't anywhere near enough payback from him to us, or at least me for what he did to my club.
 
Reiver said:
As we all know it's easier looking at a situation from the outside ....

.... otherwise all our lives would be perfect.

Mine isn't but if yours is then fair play to you.
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Basics from personally owning and running a number business'es for over thirty years while on a second career employed by corporate giants who do know how to run a big business.

sir rowell cummins said:
This. Plus he liked to blame everyone else and take no responsibility and hide. Not visiting a club you own for a whole season sounds like a bloke with no interest or no knackers or i suspect both. Glad to see Reiver out of his coma though.
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Reiver said:
So, not nothing then.

To be fair mate, how many times have you been to Wembley, for a major cup final, with Sunderland?
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4 times and,not a major cup final I know, the Charlton play-off. One of those during Short's tenure.
Mate,I'll concede there wasn't "nothing", but you're being picky. Overall he oversaw the very fabric of the club being ripped out piece by piece. The evidence is there for all to see...there can be no doubt....and I for one hold him accountable for each and every bit of it. His Chairmanship was blighted with constant poor decision making, poor management of the club's affairs on every level which ultimately led to our humbling relegations and to where we are now. Yes, he put his hand in his pocket,but that was the least he could do to cover up his blatant incompetence and, yes, he sold out on what appear to be reasonable terms to what appears to be the right people for us......again,the very least he could do to preserve any kind of personal reputation he may have left.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Totally incompetent bloke who wasn’t as malicious as some people thought. The appointments he made buried us.

I’ve still no idea why he bought the club tbh. American bloke who had probably never heard of us and clearly had no idea what football is. He didn’t come across as someone who wanted a club to show off or line his own pockets. Just don’t get it.
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All of this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

TNT73 said:
Story I heard as to why he bought SAFC: his son liked "soccer" and asked his dad if he (dad) could buy a team. Then Ellis met Niall and job done.
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Most expensive pint of Guinness ever!
 
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Two million voices said:
Didn’t have a clue how to run a football club. Charlie Methven said at a meeting I went to that he’s met people from Shorts other businesses, said they’re really efficient, knowledgeable, hard business people who know that they’re doing. Then he met Margaret Byrne and the first thing he thought to himself was ‘how the fuck did Ellis give her a job?’.

Says it all.
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That’s what I was saying the whole time during that period of Sunderland’s history...
 
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