taking kids on holiday outside of school holidays

[black cat in france]

My Dad used to run Paris trips from school. He taught in split site school in Coxhoe and Bowburn. Some of the children there had never been out of Coxhoe/Bowburn. They'd not even been to Durham, so going to France was a massive thing for them.

True what you say about learning. My eldest recently said he was thankful that I've taken them places as they were growing up. He didn't realise how much he knew until he started doing pub quizes at uni and said he is ace at knowing "random obscure shit"

Ew man Becs if ya da was a member of both clubs ya got on two club trips, Whitley bay usually and Durham big meeting day was part of ya holiday. Happy days

 

[Some Random Guy]

exactly.. its not compulsory and would mean getting their feckless arse out the house before 9am for some

Don't be daft.

Have a lie in then stick them in afternoon sessions while you have a mender.

 

[Lambchops]

The boys nursery closes completely from mid July til end of august so we've had to take our hols then. Can't wait til he's school age for cheap June hols

 

[dangermows]

That was the reason I said it was a good thing a few pages back.

It was a chore for the Mrs to find people to look after the bairn when she had interviews back then.

Indeed. Just thought I'd remind everyone incase someone offered a bizarre alternative reason.

 

[Epping]

Ew man Becs if ya da was a member of both clubs ya got on two club trips, Whitley bay usually and Durham big meeting day was part of ya holiday. Happy days

used to love the club trip... bag of sweets, bottle of pop and little bag of pennies for the slots

hey day would be 10 or 12 coaches on to take us to Whitley Bay , Shields or Redcar

 

[dangermows]

Nowt better as a kid than walking out of school and mocking your mates about them going to school next week whilst you're off on your hols

 

[CatRyan]

I don't recall that, that's not to say it wasn't the case.

I'd suggest that if you are an abuser or feckless enough to let a partner abuse your 2-3 year old you probably aren't taking up the offer.

which in itself is a red flag

 

[Some Random Guy]

which in itself is a red flag

No, no it isn't.

No flags are going up if a parent chooses not to take the provision.

 

[Epping]

used to love the club trip... bag of sweets, bottle of pop and little bag of pennies for the slots

hey day would be 10 or 12 coaches on to take us to Whitley Bay , Shields or Redcar

it was the one day you would be aqt the beach / coast with loads of your mates.. ladies with the picnics looking after younger kids down the beach.. 10 and over feral for a few hours and the blokes in the local pubs.. then back on the bus at half 5 or so to get back to bishop for 7 so that the fellas could spend a fortune in the club as out mams lugged us home

No, no it isn't.

No flags are going up if a parent chooses not to take the provision.

we often didn't take it up as we had a childminder we paid for... some days we could as she would pick up at 12 and look after them from then. didn't reduce the childminder cost if we used or not.

 

[black cat in france]

used to love the club trip... bag of sweets, bottle of pop and little bag of pennies for the slots

hey day would be 10 or 12 coaches on to take us to Whitley Bay , Shields or Redcar

Coxhoe club were banned from Redcar, whole day usally depended on how the horses went, big fish or tuppeny bag with scraps.

 

[Epping]

Coxhoe club were banned from Redcar, whole day usally depended on how the horses went, big fish or tuppeny bag with scraps.

Cockton Hill club for me... the big one out of Bishop was Tindale Club which was by far the rougher one so that could end up messy

only went on it as a guest of a mates once... lot heavier on the drinking.. crates of booze went on every bus

 

[CatRyan]

No, no it isn't.

No flags are going up if a parent chooses not to take the provision.

when I did a safeguarding course that's what we were told, so just saying

 

[Some Random Guy]

when I did a safeguarding course that's what we were told, so just saying

Nah, if the take-up is much more than 3 quarters of eligibile kids I'd be surprised.

What it may be used for by some authorities is as an indicator in the troubled families programme, that alone would mean little though.

 

[CatRyan]

Nah, if the take-up is much more than 3 quarters of eligibile kids I'd be surprised.

What it may be used for by some authorities is as an indicator in the troubled families programme, that alone would mean little though.

It wasn't enough to red flag independently no but in that borough at least they did track it and were glad of parents using the free childcare to safeguard the child more.

 

[Some Random Guy]

It wasn't enough to red flag independently no but in that borough at least they did track it and were glad of parents using the free childcare to safeguard the child more.

It doesn't safeguard the child more than not doing anything with it.

The theory behind the troubled families is that in a typical town or city there will be a number of families that take up a disproportionate amount of resources. Authorities use loads of sources of information to identify these families, this could be crime and ASB, education attendance, social care interaction. Loads of stuff. Something like this could be chucked in there....I guess. The whole scheme is just a massive cash grab during a time of austerity in my opinion. My opinion is based on a lot of time working on the project, and gaining a good understanding of how often successes are through the law of sod rather than an intervention.

You aren't obliged to take-up a free childcare spot if eligibile. You aren't obliged to send your kid to nursery. If you home-school your kid it's not even compulsory to register it.

 

[Spennymackem1981]

maybe the thought that with such childcare in places cases like Baby P and Victoria Climbie could be prevented will make you feel even more warm and fuzzy

What on earth are you dribbling on about...

Baby p was killed by the mother's fella and some other weirdo what the actual fuck did free childcare have to do with that case....

Inept social workers which there are many of

 

[Some Random Guy]

What on earth are you dribbling on about...

Baby p was killed by the mother's fella and some other weirdo what the actual fuck did free childcare have to do with that case....

Inept social workers which there are many of

Victoria Climbie was 8, she would have been waaaay too old to benefit from the scheme.

Cat's had a 'mare the whole thread really. "I don't think parents should pull their kids out of school for a holiday" is a perfectly legitimate stance in itself, I happen to agree with it and have tried not to pull mine out for that reason over the years. Its her rationale through the thread that's been contentious.

 

[Spennymackem1981]

Victoria Climbie was 8, she would have been waaaay too old to benefit from the scheme.

Cat's had a 'mare the whole thread really. "I don't think parents should pull their kids out of school for a holiday" is a perfectly legitimate stance in itself, I happen to agree with it and have tried not to pull mine out for that reason over the years. Its her rationale through the thread that's been contentious.

I can't actually decide if she's being serious or fishing for a massive tuna

 

[AndrewP]

I can't actually decide if she's being serious or fishing for a massive tuna

Stinks of fish.

 

[CatRyan]

It doesn't safeguard the child more than not doing anything with it.

The theory behind the troubled families is that in a typical town or city there will be a number of families that take up a disproportionate amount of resources. Authorities use loads of sources of information to identify these families, this could be crime and ASB, education attendance, social care interaction. Loads of stuff. Something like this could be chucked in there....I guess. The whole scheme is just a massive cash grab during a time of austerity in my opinion. My opinion is based on a lot of time working on the project, and gaining a good understanding of how often successes are through the law of sod rather than an intervention.

You aren't obliged to take-up a free childcare spot if eligibile. You aren't obliged to send your kid to nursery. If you home-school your kid it's not even compulsory to register it.

Granted I was on a safeguarding course so the emphasis was on that regarding all the topics covered. I'm just saying what was presented.

Victoria Climbie was 8, she would have been waaaay too old to benefit from the scheme.

Cat's had a 'mare the whole thread really. "I don't think parents should pull their kids out of school for a holiday" is a perfectly legitimate stance in itself, I happen to agree with it and have tried not to pull mine out for that reason over the years. Its her rationale through the thread that's been contentious.

Right. The point they made that children are the most vulnerable members of our society. That lessons could be learned from the failures in the case studies. I only remember VC and BP but there were others and the slipping through the net etc is applicable in many ways.
They said that the more visible the children are to care workers trained in safeguarding the better.
That often it was childminder and assistants that blew the whistle.

Victoria Climbie was 8, she would have been waaaay too old to benefit from the scheme.

Cat's had a 'mare the whole thread really. "I don't think parents should pull their kids out of school for a holiday" is a perfectly legitimate stance in itself, I happen to agree with it and have tried not to pull mine out for that reason over the years. Its her rationale through the thread that's been contentious.

I'm just saying what I think. You don't have to like it. What in particular has been contentious?