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Blaming Ellis is a bit Mag-esque

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CheersMarra84 said:
No you don’t though, that’s an opinion based on a hypothetical situation, that you haven’t backed up. We could’ve potentially went in to administration under his tenure too. Again, we don’t know that to be true either.

What we do know, is we got relegated to League 1 after back to back relegations and lost revenue streams that would help us be self sustainable.
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Why would I need to 'back it up'? It's called reality.
 
Brian Griffin said:
Yes @Pancho

If you could have a read of the absolute abuse I got for both threads - both of which I've been proved correct on - I'd appreciate it.

We got relegated by Coleman in the same cirumstances I predicted.

And yesterday saw the biggest love in for Ellis I've seen since the cup final - despite the massive amounts of abuse I got earlier in the year highlighting the good points of his tenure and daring to suggest his heart was in the right place.

Forgive me for my moment of indulgence, but if you will let people abuse those who hold differing opinions don't get upset if a little gloating goes on.
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I've read the threads.

Back to back relegations and Coleman leaving is hardly vindication of your position which seemed to mainly focus on the win percentage argument.

Bearing in mind how a succession of managers, many with a better track record than CC, have crashed and burned under Short's abysmal tenure, it was hardly prescient to suggest that Coleman would suffer the same fate - like Grayson he was trying to plait shit from day one.

Anyone who suggests that Short's apparent final gesture in writing off debt that accrued largely as a result of his and his employees' serial ineptitude, somehow balances out the utter catastrophe of his ownership really need to give their heads a shake.
 
offmenut said:
The decisions he made (managerially) were welcomed by fans - only PDC was contentious - the majority thought all others were spot on. MON and Moyes fucked us up.

We also were delighted when we bought f***ing Rodwell.


I agree with a bit of this.
As I’ve said before - manager wise he made decisions we all applauded. And I’m confident if BSA hadn’t gone to England we would be a premier team still.
ES tried.
He was let down by managers and our transfer policy of giving managers millions , then sacking them , then getting a new manager who doesn’t rate the old players and spends millions more on shite - that’s whats fucked us.
Buying high and selling low.
And when he got his man in Moyes, giving him fuck all.

However It’s this season when he realised he had failed properly , and he’s ran away like a coward , and for that I’m disgusted with him.
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If you consider £35million fuck all he didn’t support Moyes.
 
Pancho said:
I've read the threads.

Back to back relegations and Coleman leaving is hardly vindication of your position which seemed to mainly focus on the win percentage argument.

Bearing in mind how a succession of managers, many with a better track record than CC, have crashed and burned under Short's abysmal tenure, it was hardly prescient to suggest that Coleman would suffer the same fate - like Grayson he was trying to plait sh from day one.

Anyone who suggests that Short's apparent final gesture in writing off debt that accrued largely as a result of his and his employees' serial ineptitude, somehow balances out the utter catastrophe of his ownership really need to give their heads a shake.
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So you're saying that even though I highlighted, at the stage of the appointment, that Coleman would be incapable of winning enough games and would get us relegated and was told within 30 posts to 'F off and die' doesn't give me the right to bring this thread back up after he's been fired and got us relegated?

The Short thing is subjective.
 
I think Short just didn't know how football worked, he never had the long term vision to build a sustainable football club. He gave power to fools like De Fanti and Congerton.

What we need is similar people at the club that were at the likes of Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth etc.
 
Brian Griffin said:
So you're saying that even though I highlighted, at the stage of the appointment, that Coleman would be incapable of winning enough games and would get us relegated and was told within 30 posts to 'F off and die' doesn't give me the right to bring this thread back up after he's been fired and got us relegated?

The Short thing is subjective.
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No, you can bump what you like but gloating is never a good look, particularly when it's based upon a one-eyed theory.

If after successive relegations you still have doubts that Short's ownership has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster for the club then there's really nowt more I can add.
 
Pancho said:
No, you can bump what you like but gloating is never a good look, particularly when it's based upon a one-eyed theory.

If after successive relegations you still have doubts that Short's ownership has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster for the club then there's really nowt more I can add.
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In your opinion.

I agree it's a disaster to be where we are - but, there's so many people on this board who have wanted the likes of Cattermole and O'Shea out - they'll now have that opportunity.

Under Short you've also:

Signed worldclass players - the likes of who we would never have signed without Short - Gyan, Bent, Johnson etc

Been to a cup final.

We were also the longest (or possibly second longest) serving PL team - excluding those who had never been relegated.

It hasn't all been bad.
 
Brian Griffin said:
He has invested.

We’ve had brilliant players.

We got to a cup final.

We had 10 years in the PL.

He didn’t leave quickly enough but to blame him solely is insane.

Blame Moyes, Grayson and Coleman.

Blame Byrne and Bain and DiFanti.

But don’t just blame the owner. He had the right intentions IMO.
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If I hired an accountant to be general manager of my firm with the view to grow business and it went tits up it's my fault -
 
Brian Griffin said:
He has invested.

We’ve had brilliant players.

We got to a cup final.

We had 10 years in the PL.

He didn’t leave quickly enough but to blame him solely is insane.

Blame Moyes, Grayson and Coleman.

Blame Byrne and Bain and DiFanti.

But don’t just blame the owner. He had the right intentions IMO.
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when a business constantly fails and runs up high debts then the bloke at the top deserves every bit of criticism. he hired clowns, he ran up the debt, he has overseen relegation to league one. ellis short has been a disaster for sunderland football club. good riddance
 
Brian Griffin said:
:lol:

He kept us in the PL for 10 years.
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what exactly is funny? The club is in league one. Years of struggle, years of debt which was rocketing up, 2 consecutive relegations, the whole Adam Johnson carry on under his reign as well. He hired Congerton, Byrne, Di Fanti and Bain......... The club have won 2 home games this season. He's turned Sunderland into the laughing stock of the country in football.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
what exactly is funny? The club is in league one. Years of struggle, years of debt which was rocketing up, 2 consecutive relegations, the whole Adam Johnson carry on under his reign as well. He hired Congerton, Byrne, Di Fanti and Bain......... The club have won 2 home games this season. He's turned Sunderland into the laughing stock of the country in football.
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What an angry man you are.
 
Brian Griffin said:
He didn't like.

He funded the club himself.

We'd have been relegated years ago without him.
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So the Adam Johnson stuff didnt shame the club? Two consecutive relegations haven't shamed the club? The whole country laughing at the fact Sunderland vs Accrington is a reality isnt bringing shame on the club? The bloke has been an absolute disaster from start to finish
 
Super Colin Todd said:
Nope, the 34 million parachute payment next season will be going to his loan company with 26 million still owed!
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Proof of this...or did this make it's way through your tinfoil hat?

GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
So the Adam Johnson stuff didnt shame the club? Two consecutive relegations haven't shamed the club? The whole country laughing at the fact Sunderland vs Accrington is a reality isnt bringing shame on the club? The bloke has been an absolute disaster from start to finish
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What did Ellis have to do with AJ like? :lol:

Two relegations is poor - but it's not like he didn't try/

We don't even register in the minds of most other football fans man.

I'll take the world class players, a cup final and 10 years top flight football and say thank you!
 
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