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Blaming Ellis is a bit Mag-esque

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Brian Griffin said:
Who bought Bent, Gyan, Johnson, Fletcher, Borini, Sessegnon, Defoe?

Like I say, 10 years unbroken in the PL.

A cup final.

Acted decisvely in the main when he needed to fire people.

Shame it's gone wrong - but to have so much hatred towards him is really a Mag trait when they've spat their dummies out.

It's rubbish now - he's tried to sell - but hasn't found anybody stupid enough to buy us.

Don't really know what more people want?
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He never once looked for a football man to advise him. His first attempt was to bring a sleazy football agent into the club... he then decided to give the slimeball some support in the form of his best mates son - who was massively unqualified.. complete nepotism.

He made bad decision after bad decision.

Topped it all off when he lied his arse off to a room of 300 Sunderland fans at the end of last season. Promising transfer funds from outgoing players would be reinvested and that the manager would be given the resources to bring us straight back up.
 

Brian Griffin said:
You have zero evidence of that.

Grayson was appointed on the advice of Moyes, IIRC.

Prior to the Moyes era you'd struggle to see a bad decision he made.

Hindsight is amazing.
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Do you think a "football man" advised him to take his mate's son on to head up the most radical change in transfer policy in our history?

Did a football man advised him to hire Di Canio (a waiter in an Italian restaurant, apparently).

How about Lee Congerton (who had just nearly ruined Hamburg) and his mate from the NBA?
 
Brian Griffin said:
He has invested.

We’ve had brilliant players.

We got to a cup final.

We had 10 years in the PL.

He didn’t leave quickly enough but to blame him solely is insane.

Blame Moyes, Grayson and Coleman.

Blame Byrne and Bain and DiFanti.

But don’t just blame the owner. He had the right intentions IMO.
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After 10 years of Premiership football at a time of unprecedented revenues for just being in that league, we are now bankrupt and have the worst squad of players in the club’s history. This happened on Ellis Short’s watch, and he carries the blame with the people he chose to employ as DoF.
 
Brian Griffin said:
You have zero evidence of that.

Grayson was appointed on the advice of Moyes, IIRC.

Prior to the Moyes era you'd struggle to see a bad decision he made.

Hindsight is amazing.
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Di Fanti and all of his abysmal signings?
Assistant Director of Football given to a young lad through nepotism
Margaret Byrne running the football club without even a passive interest in the sport

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Yes, great intentions mortgaging the club to his mates at 8.5% APR.

He's a veritable Mother Theresa.
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And this.
Interest payments that mean we pay nothing off the balance.
 
cbwhu said:
so you don't think it's down to the bloke that appoints the managers who then sign the players with the budget given to them by short?
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No.

I wouldn't expect an owner to meddle in a business he knows little about.

I'd expect him to appoint people to do the job - and then fire them if they couldn't. Which he did.
 
Brian Griffin said:
Blame Moyes, Grayson and Coleman.

Blame Byrne and Bain and DiFanti.
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remind me again who appointed the 6 people you named there as he thought they were the best available for the job?

Brian Griffin said:
No.

I wouldn't expect an owner to meddle in a business he knows little about.

I'd expect him to appoint people to do the job - and then fire them if they couldn't. Which he did.
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personally I#'d expect hi to appoint people who could do the job

not appoint people then find out if they could do the job
 
Brian Griffin said:
He has invested.

We’ve had brilliant players.

We got to a cup final.

We had 10 years in the PL.

He didn’t leave quickly enough but to blame him solely is insane.

Blame Moyes, Grayson and Coleman.

Blame Byrne and Bain and DiFanti.

But don’t just blame the owner. He had the right intentions IMO.
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Not sure if this is serious or a mag trolling, but 6 people liked this post. Unreal some of our 'supporters'.
 
cbwhu said:
so you don't think it's down to the bloke that appoints the managers who then sign the players with the budget given to them by short?
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The buck obviously always stops with the guy at the top but you can only fairly attribute blame for the things you think are obvious mistakes without the benefit of hindsight.
If he appoints an obviously poor choice of manager then you can blame him for getting that wrong.
If he appoints what is viewed as a good choice and then it doesn't work out you can't fairly blame him.
Take Coleman for example, most thought it a absolute sterling signing be it fan or punter. Most exercised real surprise that he managed to persuade Coleman to come. If Coleman doesn't work out to be a success it's not really fair to he's to blame for signing Coleman.
Most though Big Sam was a great success, you can't blame Short for England taking him.
 
Sima said:
Definitely think Short is more ambitious than Ashley. He just makes piss poor decisions.
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I'd rather have a chairman with a smaller ambition that manages the club within their budget parameters. After 10 years of receiving PL money our current financial position is nothing short of scandalous mismanagement.
 
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