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foolzy said:
If somebody else disabled is using it then fine but can't you see that an able bodied person using a toilet just makes it longer for disabled people to wait.

Because of my spinal cord injury I also have limited control over when I need to piss. I also sometimes need to self catherterise. Urine staying in my bladder for too long can cause me UTIs and I don't empty bladder fully manually. Using a catheter in a normal toilet is an absolute nightmare.
Your 'in and out quicker' comment is just the same as somebody parking in a disabled bay and saying im only going to be give minutes.
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Again I sympathise with your condition and accept that disabled facilities are necessary for you to use, but are you suggesting that a disabled toilet should remain unused possibly all day everyday until a disabled person comes along, alternatively looking at it from the other extreme angle how would you manage if you went to use the facility and there was a queue of disabled people waiting?
 


viccarlton said:
Again I sympathise with your condition and accept that disabled facilities are necessary for you to use, but are you suggesting that a disabled toilet should remain unused possibly all day everyday until a disabled person comes along, alternatively looking at it from the other extreme angle how would you manage if you went to use the facility and there was a queue of disabled people waiting?
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I would have to wait just as I would if there were no disabled parking spaces. People using disabled spaces or toilets that don't need to just increase the chances of it being in use when a disabled person needs to use it.

You say categorically that you would not use a disabled parking bay yet I really don't see the difference. Why do you think disabled toilets generally have locks on that you need a key for? Do you have a radar key?
 
foolzy said:
I would have to wait just as I would if there were no disabled parking spaces. People using disabled spaces or toilets that don't need to just increase the chances of it being in use when a disabled person needs to use it.

You say categorically that you would not use a disabled parking bay yet I really don't see the difference. Why do you think disabled toilets generally have locks on that you need a key for? Do you have a radar key?
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I know someone that bought half a dozen radar keys to pass out among his friends so they could use the disabled toilets in the pubs - presumably to increase time available to drink

I’ve had a few instances where people (usually old ladies) have commented when I’ve come out the disabled toilets as I don’t look disabled , If I hadn’t just emptied my stoma bag I’d be tempted to do so over their feet. I have asked them if they have soiled themselves in the short time they’ve waited and they always say no - I tell them I would’ve done and they need to educate themselves on invisible disability.
 
foolzy said:
I would have to wait just as I would if there were no disabled parking spaces. People using disabled spaces or toilets that don't need to just increase the chances of it being in use when a disabled person needs to use it.

You say categorically that you would not use a disabled parking bay yet I really don't see the difference. Why do you think disabled toilets generally have locks on that you need a key for? Do you have a radar key?
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I don't even know what a radar key is mate, you will have to take me at face value when I say that I have never used a disabled parking spot but if I needed to and it was available I would have no problem in using a disabled toilet, hence my initial comment of my opinion being controversial.
 
Mickeys Chicken Leg said:
Which is exactly what I said in my second sentence.
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and your 3rd, 4th and 5th sentence states

I've worked with a few people who've legitimately qualified for a blue badge due to disability but were earning in excess of £50k. Why should they park for free? Especially in this day and age with contactless payments, etc.

why bring money into it. It is to enable the holder to get to an amenity easier. How would it be policed. Do you not issue a blue badge to anybody who qualifies with an income over £50,000

Income has nothing to do with it
 
viccarlton said:
I don't even know what a radar key is mate, you will have to take me at face value when I say that I have never used a disabled parking spot but if I needed to and it was available I would have no problem in using a disabled toilet, hence my initial comment of my opinion being controversial.
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Then you are at odds with yourself. There is no difference in an able bodied person using a disabled toilet and using a blue badge park space.

A radar key is used to open disabled toilets in pubs etc... A disabled person can get one or asked behind bar for it
 
I have one for the old man but wouldn’t dare use it without him in the car. However wife has had a total hip replacement recently and they can’t offer temporary badges for her so have been using it so she doesn’t have to walk too far and has enough room to get in the car. Am I going to hell?
 
dixonsafc said:
Should move the parent and child ones further away to tackle youth obesity, why should the fat little fuckers get to park up closer to the supermarket?

Anyone parking in a normal space with kids under 16, should be fined.
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Yeah, I don’t think that’s a good idea.
 
Arkle said:
I've tried to find the thing, possibly on The Poke, in which someone complained about a company's white van regularly using disabled parking spaces and the company response was, paraphrasing, "It's my business, I have an artificial leg, lost the original in Iraq".
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One of our charity is a lad in his mid 20s, lots of tattoos and drives the worlds loudest adapted Subaru he also his a blue badge. Tells me he enjoys roaring into a disabled spot in Asda to the disgust of those watching then hopping out on one leg to get his wheelchair out of the boot.
 
soapster said:
and your 3rd, 4th and 5th sentence states

I've worked with a few people who've legitimately qualified for a blue badge due to disability but were earning in excess of £50k. Why should they park for free? Especially in this day and age with contactless payments, etc.

why bring money into it. It is to enable the holder to get to an amenity easier. How would it be policed. Do you not issue a blue badge to anybody who qualifies with an income over £50,000

Income has nothing to do with it
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If a post has more than one sentence, why ignore the one that agrees with you? :lol:

Income has everything to do with something being means tested. Where have I disputed that disabled parking shouldn't be as near to a facility or amenity's entrance as possible?

Not sure why but you seem to be looking for an argument that isn't there.
 
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foolzy said:
I disagree, if I need to change my stoma bag I need to do it in private toilet not in the middle of the sinks in a normal toilet. (Which I have to do in emergency) If an able bodied person is using the disabled toilet there is more of a chance it could leak etc.

In what circumstances would you use a disabled toilet? Much the same way in what circumstances would you use a disabled space? If all other spaces were used???
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What’s the difference between waiting for a disabled person using the disabled toilet and an able-bodied person?
 
Mickeys Chicken Leg said:
If a post has more than one sentence, why ignore the one that agrees with you? :lol:

Income has everything to do with something being means tested. Where have I disputed that disabled parking shouldn't be as near to a facility or amenity's entrance as possible?

Not sure why but you seem to be looking for an argument that isn't there.
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it is a privilege not a means tested benefit.
we will only give out to the poor. that means those with any wealth will not be allowed or will have to pay
I am not looking for argument I just think if the disability meets the requirement, they get it for free.
 
Mickeys Chicken Leg said:
Blue badges should be means tested. Fair enough make parking as close to entrances as possible but why free for all? I've worked with a few people who've legitimately qualified for a blue badge due to disability but were earning in excess of £50k. Why should they park for free? Especially in this day and age with contactless payments, etc.

My dad who is 75 and since suffering a stroke is a badge holder, will drive to the local supermarket and if he's not getting out whilst Ma Leg goes shopping he'll park in a normal bay.

The blue badge scheme is really abused.
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So you're proposing to undertake means testing of all disabled people for *one part* what they receive from the state, so that in *some cases* when parking is free for disabled people and charged for everyone else, those on a higher income will have to pay? Notwithstanding that only a minority of disabled people are going to be in that income bracket, you're also going to have to have different badges for those people, and train parking people in public and private car parks to tell the difference, *and* have a regular review procedure for people whose income changes. All because some of the people who've received help with their disability (and still need it) haven't been prevented from doing all right?
 
Flared Hicks said:
What’s the difference between waiting for a disabled person using the disabled toilet and an able-bodied person?
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What's the difference between waiting for an able bodied person to move from a disabled parking bay and waiting for a disabled person to move out of the bay?
 
soapster said:
it is a privilege not a means tested benefit.
we will only give out to the poor. that means those with any wealth will not be allowed or will have to pay
I am not looking for argument I just think if the disability meets the requirement, they get it for free.
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And I think that is unfair. Society, where possible, should be inclusive not exclusive. I fully support that disabled people should be able to access facilities and services as readily as those without disabilities. However, if you can afford to, tgen you should pay your own way.
 
Flared Hicks said:
If all the normal toilets were in use at the time so they used the disabled one.

Obviously if all the normal ones were free then there’s no excuse.
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So if all the 'normal ' parking bays are taken it's okay to park in a disabled bay if you're able bodied?
 
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