The Super spoilery Star Wars : The Last Jedi spoilers thread *don't even put your mouse over it*

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Litten said:
The scenes were cut from the film.

I would absolutely class myself as a die hard Star Wars fan and I loved it, I think some fans go in particularly to analyse it too much and poke holes in it. For fucks sake, it's a sci-fi film that was predominantly aimed at kids and is set 'a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away'. If you're not prepared to suspend your disbelief and go in and enjoy it for what it is then I'm not sure why you would be there watching it. I definitely get the sense that a lot of people go in with the express intention of tearing it to bits to feel superior.

So this is my take on it,

1) Yes, the Leia part was far fetched but it was obvious they weren't going to kill her off that early, even before Carrie Fisher died a lot had been made of what a big role she had in this film. I'm an unashamed Carrie Fisher fan so I was too pleased that they'd saved the character to care too much about how they did it, it was a very small part of a very long film and it seems people are fixating on it to slag the whole film off. I thought I'd be too emotional through the whole film but I was ok until the part where she's united with Luke and they're talking about Han. The part where Luke holds her hand and says no-one is ever really gone was unbelievably poignant with the benefit of hindsight.

2) The interactions between Kylo Ren and Rey were really good. Adam Driver plays the conflicted character so well, especially in comparison with the awful acting of Hayden Christensen in the prequels. I did feel the tension of not knowing whether he would turn away from the dark side was really well done. I think in those scenes with the two of them I do find myself wondering whether he was telling the truth about Rey's parentage or whether he was trying to coax her to the dark side with a lie. But i also wondered whether it was a reference back to Anakin's childhood.

3) Luke trying to kill Kylo was also totally plausible to me too. I thought it made clear that it was a fleeting thought by him and that before he had a chance to walk away Kylo woke up and reacted. Showing it from both sides was really well done, seeing Kylo as a scared kid and then comparing it to the angry young man unable to cope with the conflict in his head made perfect sense to me. Also the fact that Luke would have reacted to him in that way was also true to his character in my opinion, he was often shown in the original films to be conflicted in the same way as Kylo only he was seen as being close to being drawn to the dark side rather than the other way round.

4) I actually like the side plot with Canto Bight, Star Wars has always played with the moral lessons. Thinking that a massive amount of kids will be watching I thought making the point that a lot of people were making an obscene amount of money backing both sides with arms and equipment will hopefully have made them leave with some food for thought. The scene with the little boy at the end that made the link that's been in all the films about having hope was a great way to finish.

Anyway that's what i thought, I'll be going to see it again so whether i change any of those opinions or pick up anything i didn't notice first time round remains to be seen. I don't think anything I've put will change the opinion of anyone who has already written it off though.
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Or people could go and just think it’s shit.
 


errant said:
Well not quite, but with hindsight of real life events Fisher & Dern should have changed positions...


People feel ownership of this, like their children...
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nope even without carries death.... there was no connection to her at all limited backstory... why should i care.

Now if it was Lando walking out onto that bridge after mary poppins was recovering...even Ackbar
 
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I'm a big Star Wars fan, not an obsessive, but having seen the first one at the cinema back in 1977 I've always had a soft spot for it. Prequels were a let down, loved The Force Awakens, yes it was derivative plot-wise but in every other sense it was a cracking piece of cinema, well-made, well-thought out, built characters you could care about.

Everything was set up for Last Jedi to be a cracker. Didn't have to do any exposition, all characters set up already. I heard a JJ Abrams quote that when he read the script, he really wanted to direct this one. I'd seen Looper though and while it has some great ideas in, it has more plot holes and gaps in than just about any other film ever made. So my one worry was, will someone keep an eye on Rian Johnson.

Went on Wednesday night / Thursday morning to the midnight showing, having completely avoided any advance word on the film, no trailers, no reviews, nothing.

What a disappointment.

Not everything is bad about it, I grant you. The acting is generally good - Adam Driver is excellent. And there is no Jar-Jar Binks. And the music is as good as ever.

That's basically it. Everything else about the film is dreadful. It's a shocker. And it's pretty much all Rian Johnson's fault. The plot is so flimsy it's ridiculous. He has well-loved well-established characters behave in ways that shows he clearly never understood them. The story arc is all over the shop. And the middle hour has a sub-plot that makes no sense at all, adds nothing to the film and slows the whole thing down so much it kills any drama.

The reaction from the whole cinema as we left was the same. Basically "what the fuck was that shit". The comments coming through on IMDB now say it all.

I've not seen Caravan of Courage, so I can't state categorically this is the worst SW film ever, but that would have to be bad to match this. Johnson should be shot with shit.
 
Litten said:
or people could go through a thread disagreeing with anyone who might have liked it, such is life.
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Well if one person likes something and another person doesn’t then on a message board that’s what happens.

It’s a shit film but I’ve no qualms with anyone who enjoyed it.
 
Deano said:
I'm a big Star Wars fan, not an obsessive, but having seen the first one at the cinema back in 1977 I've always had a soft spot for it. Prequels were a let down, loved The Force Awakens, yes it was derivative plot-wise but in every other sense it was a cracking piece of cinema, well-made, well-thought out, built characters you could care about.

Everything was set up for Last Jedi to be a cracker. Didn't have to do any exposition, all characters set up already. I heard a JJ Abrams quote that when he read the script, he really wanted to direct this one. I'd seen Looper though and while it has some great ideas in, it has more plot holes and gaps in than just about any other film ever made. So my one worry was, will someone keep an eye on Rian Johnson.

Went on Wednesday night / Thursday morning to the midnight showing, having completely avoided any advance word on the film, no trailers, no reviews, nothing.

What a disappointment.

Not everything is bad about it, I grant you. The acting is generally good - Adam Driver is excellent. And there is no Jar-Jar Binks. And the music is as good as ever.

That's basically it. Everything else about the film is dreadful. It's a shocker. And it's pretty much all Rian Johnson's fault. The plot is so flimsy it's ridiculous. He has well-loved well-established characters behave in ways that shows he clearly never understood them. The story arc is all over the shop. And the middle hour has a sub-plot that makes no sense at all, adds nothing to the film and slows the whole thing down so much it kills any drama.

The reaction from the whole cinema as we left was the same. Basically "what the fuck was that shit". The comments coming through on IMDB now say it all.

I've not seen Caravan of Courage, so I can't state categorically this is the worst SW film ever, but that would have to be bad to match this. Johnson should be shot with shit.
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Totally agree when we left there everyone was saying how disappointing it was
 
RokerLegend said:
Well if one person likes something and another person doesn’t then on a message board that’s what happens.

It’s a shit film but I’ve no qualms with anyone who enjoyed it.
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really? well you seemed to want to take the time to point out you disagreed with my post which flies in the face of having no qualms with anyone who enjoyed it, and in fact made my point about fans wanting to take it apart. That being said, if you've already seen it that means you had a connection with the franchise that makes you feel strongly about it and I'm sorry it was a disappointment for you after what i imagine was a lot of anticipation.

For what it's worth in regard to other posts on here, I actually thought the prequels were a lot more Disney style that TFA and TLJ. I honestly felt at the end of the second trilogy made that George Lucas had lost the plot and that at least with the new films you felt that if nothing else they were made by people who had an emotional and historic attachment with the original trilogy.
 
errant said:
I don’t get how IMDb rating for film is so high, when the reviews are fundamentally the same theme?
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I suspect a lot of the early IMDb points come from folk who haven't seen the film. There's a trend on that site for films to start off with sky high ratings that then settle down a few points lower. The Dark Knight was off the scale at one point. Sounds daft I know but there's a mentality among some people to mark something high because they want it to be good.

The reviews tie in with what I thought and what my mates thought. I've just watched Kermode's review mind and he talks a load of eloquent bollocks. He reckons the character arcs are all beautifully plotted! Poe, Finn, Rey - do any of them develop at all in this film? And after all, after TFA set them up so brilliantly - I recall at one point when I first watched TFA thinking "oh not back to Han and Leia, what's happening with Rey and Finn?" this was a film that should have been about Finn, Rey, Poe, Kylo Ren and Luke. Johnson totally wasted four of them, and did little more with Kylo Ren.

What the fuck was that middle bit all about too? Oh hang on, the First Order has us trapped... we can't move and they can't be arsed to close in on us, but Finn and the Chinese lass are free to fuck off to the other side of the galaxy just like that! You what? Why didn't everyone else just do the same?

And Hux. Domnhall Gleeson does a great job building up this psycho military character, then Johnson basically turns him into a bumbling sidekick Homer Simpson style. If the film had gone on any longer (thank fuck it didn't), he'd have been going "uh oh! Spaghetti-o!".

Grrrrr...
 
I can’t decide whether I’m being too harsh because it’s a Star Wars film or letting it off too lightly because it’s Star Wars

Genuinely some good arcs and visuals but then some really poor choices
 
CraigyLee said:
I can’t decide whether I’m being too harsh because it’s a Star Wars film or letting it off too lightly because it’s Star Wars

Genuinely some good arcs and visuals but then some really poor choices
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No-one wants to be the wet blanket. There was a collective pause after the lights went up when everyone went "well...?" No-one wanted to be the first to wade in. But everyone felt the same.

I probably shouldn't get angry about a film, but it does annoy me that it was given to a director who doesn't care for the world he inherited. It's not his right to trash it the way he did.
 
Deano said:
it does annoy me that it was given to a director who doesn't care for the world he inherited. It's not his right to trash it the way he did.
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It seems that Kathleen Kennedy is happy with what he’s produced, going on the news he earned a three film deal for more films in their universe.
 
Oh, ive just checked my Haynes Workshop Manual for the Falcon and it can carry 100 tons of cargo, so I don’t think carrying the entire remnants of the rebellion would be too much trouble. So there’s one plot gripe off here put to bed at least.

Deano said:
I suspect a lot of the early IMDb points come from folk who haven't seen the film. There's a trend on that site for films to start off with sky high ratings that then settle down a few points lower. The Dark Knight was off the scale at one point. Sounds daft I know but there's a mentality among some people to mark something high because they want it to be good.

The reviews tie in with what I thought and what my mates thought. I've just watched Kermode's review mind and he talks a load of eloquent bollocks. He reckons the character arcs are all beautifully plotted! Poe, Finn, Rey - do any of them develop at all in this film? And after all, after TFA set them up so brilliantly - I recall at one point when I first watched TFA thinking "oh not back to Han and Leia, what's happening with Rey and Finn?" this was a film that should have been about Finn, Rey, Poe, Kylo Ren and Luke. Johnson totally wasted four of them, and did little more with Kylo Ren.

What the fuck was that middle bit all about too? Oh hang on, the First Order has us trapped... we can't move and they can't be arsed to close in on us, but Finn and the Chinese lass are free to fuck off to the other side of the galaxy just like that! You what? Why didn't everyone else just do the same?

And Hux. Domnhall Gleeson does a great job building up this psycho military character, then Johnson basically turns him into a bumbling sidekick Homer Simpson style. If the film had gone on any longer (thank fuck it didn't), he'd have been going "uh oh! Spaghetti-o!".

Grrrrr...
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The reviews are ridiculous. You’ve got people giving it 1 and people giving it 10. How can people be so polarised?

I’m giving it an 8 btw.

The bad reviews all seem to have a theme mind...

“Destroyed the legacy”
“Ruined the characters”
“Sold out to Disney”

All comments based on comparing it with the previous films. I wonder what they would have said if it was a stand alone non SW film?
 
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Just back from watching it. I thought the good stuff far outweighed the bad and it was a good film.

Loved the storyline with Rey, Kylo Ren and Snoke. Kept you guessing at to which one of them was going to turn, and the way they kept Rey light and Ren dark was excellent. However the one complaint I have about this was when you saw the lightsaber next to Snoke turn towards him, you instantly knew what was going to happen. Would’ve been much better if you didn’t see the lightsaber turn towards him, heard the stabbing sound, then saw Rey drop to the floor making you wonder if she had been killed, then seeing it was actually Snoke that had been stabbed. Would have been much better imo.

Really like Po’s character and I thought it was good to see him feature more in this film.

As everyone has said the Leia superman flight was ridiculous. Have her get flung into a wall or something instead of into space.

Some great CGI, but too much CGI bollocks. The AT-ATs, X-wings, tie fighters, space battles etc are all done superbly, but it’s the stuff like the casino scene and the way they seem to want to get as many CGI creatures and characters in as possible which is what I hated most about episodes 1-3.

Preferred Force Awakens and Rogue One better personally, but overall a good film and leads on nicely to the 9th one
 
Litten said:
really? well you seemed to want to take the time to point out you disagreed with my post which flies in the face of having no qualms with anyone who enjoyed it, and in fact made my point about fans wanting to take it apart. That being said, if you've already seen it that means you had a connection with the franchise that makes you feel strongly about it and I'm sorry it was a disappointment for you after what i imagine was a lot of anticipation.

For what it's worth in regard to other posts on here, I actually thought the prequels were a lot more Disney style that TFA and TLJ. I honestly felt at the end of the second trilogy made that George Lucas had lost the plot and that at least with the new films you felt that if nothing else they were made by people who had an emotional and historic attachment with the original trilogy.
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No I replied to your point about people going just to take it apart which I think is wrong. I think people like myself were wanting to like it but thought it was shit.
 
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