brandon
Striker
Hmmmm, can we get a welcoming committee together? Give me another chance to wear me FTECB badge.
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Hmmmm, can we get a welcoming committee together? Give me another chance to wear me FTECB badge.
pavarotti1980
Striker
Get one made. FTNTSL
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DaveAngel
Guest
I get that
But you have to allow some frustration
Also I'm taking john Lewis at his word who said it wasn't at all a financial decision and he went to play div 1 cricket
We were offering him captaincy spots which brings extra money, not convinced he will be offered more there
I think there should be allowed some frustration on this one
That's clearly not true from the contrasting opinions expressed on here. If my employer kept me employed for 7 years on full pay despite my being off sick for half of each year then I'd feel that I owed him a degree of loyalty. It's a matter of personal opinion.
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brandon
Striker
Establishment man Andrew Strauss speaks.......
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...trauss-defends-selectors-ian-botham-criticism
Shithouse, loved him as a player, becoming increasingly clear in his role after playing that he's part of everything that's wrong with English cricket.
What's more, he's completely missed the f***ing point and like a true politician he's answered only what he wanted to answer. No quote regarding the transfer situation, missed the point about compensation and answered only partially (and IMO wrongly) about conflicts of interest.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...trauss-defends-selectors-ian-botham-criticism
Shithouse, loved him as a player, becoming increasingly clear in his role after playing that he's part of everything that's wrong with English cricket.
What's more, he's completely missed the f***ing point and like a true politician he's answered only what he wanted to answer. No quote regarding the transfer situation, missed the point about compensation and answered only partially (and IMO wrongly) about conflicts of interest.
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And you seriously think that Durham persisted with him out of loyalty? You don't think they did it because they thought he was talented and worth persevering with? Heard same about how Durham showed loyalty to Stoneman through his indifferent start to career. Of course that had nothing to do with him being talented and Durham believing he'd eventually become an asset for them, which he did.
There is no loyalty in professional sport, Durham have released countless lads down years who they didn't think were worth their efforts, no problem with that either by the way but by same token lads have to look after themselves. If coggers had been deemed not good enough he'd have been chased years ago like so many others have.
watchingfromafar
Goalkeeper
Interesting comments on Twitter that Durham included a buy out clause in coughlin contract, at their own request, alongside the division 1 clause........they anticipated this might happpen but as always didn't think anyone would pay it......the management at Durham are pretty shambolic
viccarlton
Striker
So what were they meant to have done, offer him a contract with money they don't have?
In any walk of life nowadays there are appraisal systems in place which you have to meet otherwise you lose your job. If a young cricketer isn't going to make the grade it's in his own interests that he leaves and tries to build a different career. In most cases he can still earn a supplementary income from cricket helped by the academy coaching.
The same applies when ability deteriorates because of age. Of course Durham saw potential but also showed faith given his persistent frailty and carefully nursed and managed his workload.. I believe that deserves some loyalty; you think otherwise. No problem.
Twisted
Striker
how is that shambolic? forward thinking and the best they could do, otherwise they may well have walked then and there.
Straus: Those selectors' job are part-time roles and, as a result, if we want experts who are up to speed with what is currently happening in the game, county directors of cricket are obviously pretty well positioned to be able to do what that role requires them to do. That's why those guys are in position.
fair enough if this is true, then the selctors panel should be made up by directors from EVERY county then shouldn't they? how can you say well the directors know the players best, aye but only the players at THEIR county. f***ing ludicrous. Is it a surprise that for example stuart broad was fast tracked into the england set up whilst mark stoneman had to batter the door down for literally years before getting a sniff.
Even ben stokes, it was obvious to us for a year or two at least he was an exceptional talent, think at certain other counties he may have been fast tracked earlier
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Of course Durham showed faith but they did so in their own interests (again no issue with that) rather than out of any loyalty to coughlin.
Twisted
Striker
aye, in the hopes of getting some service out of him. a tremendous amount of work and patience go into developing a cricketer and you'd expect something back at the end of it, other than a handful of games here and there over years, some improvement with the bat, lets be fair, some poor bowling and giving him captaincy opportunities in the hope of giving him experience to help us down the line.
all that will now be helping another county, whilst costing us match winning performnces.
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
If Durham had have released Coggers over the past few seasons because of his injuries he would have been snapped up by one of quite a few counties because of his obvious potential. So the idea Durham have saved his career is wrong, the real question is at the age of 24 has Coggers shown that physically his body is up to dealing with a seasons county cricket and what sort of contract are you prepared to pay a bloke with his injury record. Remember he has signed a 3 year deal at Notts that is a long deal in county terms.
Cracking 3 dimensional player but personally I would not be offering him a 3 year deal.
Cracking 3 dimensional player but personally I would not be offering him a 3 year deal.
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pavarotti1980
Striker
It seems they are definitley going on potential as he hasnt shown consistenly what his potential can achieve at the age of 24/25.
wayne entwhistle no9
Winger
To be fair to Coggers it been pretty clear to anyone who has seen him from a 16/17 year old in the Academy that he had the making of a very good cricketer who at the very least would make it at county level. His only problem has been the various injuries, and at a county like Durham can you justify giving a 24 year old with that record a 3 year deal on the money Notts probably offered.
Exactly, hence me seeing in their own interests. Where was the patience shown towards numerous other lads they've sent packing? Obviously not in their interests so off they went. That's sport I'm afraid. Clubs can't preach loyalty when they show none themselves.
Twisted
Striker
like who? muchall, will smith, coetzer, plenty of players were peserved with who cinistently showed themselves to not be quite good enough. we can't employ every cricketer in the north east can we, there is only so much playing time to go around. dccc pay and put tremendous effort into developing cricketers through coaching etc
pavarotti1980
Striker
Notts are prob taking a chance. Like i said he has potential but limited with injuries.
You cant take exception at anyone leaving for money, it happens in any job so there shouldnt be the discusssion just because its sport. Let him go happily and if he succeeds great it was jusitifed.
The list of released lads is countless and I agree the club can't keep everyone but they'll keep the ones they think are worthwhile which I'm not disagreeing with. I also don't doubt the time and effort that goes into coaching these lads but again that is done ultimately to benefit Durham, it's not a charity they're running. Coggers has been given what he believes is a better opportunity and he has every right to take it as he may not get the sane opportunity again.
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