Gus Poyet blames under-strength squad for Black Cats' struggles

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Craggsy-SAFC said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sunderland-boss-gus-poyet-points-4478356

well he shouldnt waited so long for borini..
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So the 8 goals we let in were as a result of being a striker short? It's worse that 'waiting too long for Borini'. It's the unmitigated inability of our midfield and defence to prevent the opposition from totally embarrassing us. It's surely a combination of a 'bad day', inadequate players (skill and/or attitude), poor coaching and bad management.
 
shepherd88 said:
It was, but nothing was reported at all, so I don't buy into it. Although I reckon it could have been a loan move for Welbeck, and chinese whispers played a part in it becoming a transfer.
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I was told it was a bid for Welbeck.

Came from another poster on here who i know personally and i know gets a lot of info from inside the club, but never posts it on here and tells us (his close mates) never to either. But now, after the event dont suppose theres harm.

Apparently he had better options and moved onto them....wonder what they were ;):lol:

Could be bullshit and my mate is a c.unt. We'll never really know
 
The Cabbage said:
I can believe all of the above is true mate. Agree on your appraisal of things, too. It makes sense in a way that they want to employ a strategy where they only want to spend decent money on players with quality and resale value. We've lived through the scattergun approaches of numerous previous managers after all. However, combine that with a manager who isn't keen on recruiting players who he doesn't have in-depth knowledge of - and is willing to employ his veto - and you've got a difficult situation for a club to pull off a full squad remodel in a single window.

Given time, the respective positions will bear fruit. Congerton has a year to put together the dossier for summer 2015, for instance, rather than the matter of weeks we had for 2014. That time should also help in getting Poyet comfortable with the range of players being pursued - which should help us to be much more flexible than we were this summer. However, to get to this point we need personnel that are in place for at least another year or two. Gus can help that by keeping it buttoned in the immediate aftermath of disappointment.
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I think this summer had a lot of random, not to be repeated factors. Borini not wanting to sign on perm. Poss of his coming on loan so waiting till the last minute. But waiting on Coates till last min too as cant have 2 from same club. Then when Borini was a no go, getting Coates in and a last min forward bid that was too last min to come off

Maybe we shouldnt have left it all till the last minute :neutral:
 
sksk3021 said:
You can speculate as to the reasons he is here, nobody really knows.
What you can't deny is it has cost him a lot of money. I don't see how he is going to make a significant profit on us, not that it really matters. It could be argued that this our most sustained succesful period on the pitch in over 50 years.
I don't think we are in too bad a situation to be honest, a player or two short but that's to be expected.
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I think as a Texan businessman who had no interest or love of football previously he took over Sunderland to make one thing ££££ which I have no problem about.(I would be astounded if he was not making money), the problem I have is the set up (He appears not to know what he is doing) and budget model that seems to have been incorporated because we have players who are constantly injured or not upto the job.

This transfer window mirrors the last one, budget players who cannot make the 1st team of the club they were at or players being bought from lower divisions, or players who seem to be injured frequently, why?

Why cannot we have a blend of players where we sign good quality players with up and coming players why does it always seem 1 big signing then a smuttering of basement value players.

The expensive or pedigree players we have, have not been consistent with the money we paid for them apart from Bent unless anyone can name any big name signings since who have performed consistently while being with us or still with us.

I think we will stay up but another flirt or battle with relegation is on the cards this season so much for our progress, constantly flirting or battling relegation since we have been in the Premiership, just want us to be in the top half of the table instead of the bottom half every season.
 
bagpiperay said:
The problem for me is the Poyet was a Championship manager without Premiership experience. That what he's brought to Snderland. We would have been better off paying the money for an experienced and successful Premiership manager rather than wasting money on the likes of Graham, Altidore, Scocco, ...
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Like MON you mean.........who also signed danny graham...........

Hesfords Hero said:
I think as a Texan businessman who had no interest or love of football previously he took over Sunderland to make one thing ££££ which I have no problem about.(I would be astounded if he was not making money), the problem I have is the set up (He appears not to know what he is doing) and budget model that seems to have been incorporated because we have players who are constantly injured or not upto the job.

This transfer window mirrors the last one, budget players who cannot make the 1st team of the club they were at or players being bought from lower divisions, or players who seem to be injured frequently, why?

Why cannot we have a blend of players where we sign good quality players with up and coming players why does it always seem 1 big signing then a smuttering of basement value players.

The expensive or pedigree players we have, have not been consistent with the money we paid for them apart from Bent unless anyone can name any big name signings since who have performed consistently while being with us or still with us.

I think we will stay up but another flirt or battle with relegation is on the cards this season so much for our progress, constantly flirting or battling relegation since we have been in the Premiership, just want us to be in the top half of the table instead of the bottom half every season.
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be astounded squared then............
 
Maxie said:
Just what i was told, but we made a big offer for a striker cum wide player late in window but he chose elsewhere.
Not sure if it is the money or not TBH. Was Borini all cash deal? Probs not.
Did we wait for Coates till after Borini? Probably.
Did we go after another forward after Bornin no go? Maybe.
Maybe we didnt go for both (if Borini was not all a cash deal) as we couldnt promise both games.

In the end we got neither.....or much defensive cover.
I think this window and its problems have beena collection of random factors that came togehter - one linked to another and having knock on affects.

All i know is that 'i was told' the bit about the forward bid and that the club are trying to run on as frugal/tight as possible, but are willing to spend big if a particular deal is very very 'right.'
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There are a few things I struggle with on this version.

Firstly Borini deal was never going to happen and that was very obvious early on, so why we left it late is beyond me and probably a few more on here.
Our big money signing of the summer isn't a deal I would class as "very very right" at the price paid, given how little football he has played and injuries over the past 2 years, he may prove a great signing but at that price it would have to go down as a bit of a gamble for me.
The rest are really fill ins which we have been doing for years.
I can understand the CH bit with the wages at the club and Brown and JOS taking big money but only a year left, but then they extend JOS contract when he is already past it tbh.
Out transfer policy/s and extensive use of the loan system has got us in this mess and from the outside its seems like Carry On Regardless / Blindly only pausing to change the main protagonists once we are in deep shit.
 
Maxie said:
I was told it was a bid for Welbeck.

Came from another poster on here who i know personally and i know gets a lot of info from inside the club, but never posts it on here and tells us (his close mates) never to either. But now, after the event dont suppose theres harm.

Apparently he had better options and moved onto them....wonder what they were ;):lol:

Could be bullshit and my mate is a c.unt. We'll never really know
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Aye remember posting at the time about it with ya. Funnily enough it was another poster from here, who told me a loan rather than a transfer fee like. Not too worry like, nowt came about it either way
 
BS1000 said:
There are a few things I struggle with on this version.

Firstly Borini deal was never going to happen and that was very obvious early on, so why we left it late is beyond me and probably a few more on here.
Our big money signing of the summer isn't a deal I would class as "very very right" at the price paid, given how little football he has played and injuries over the past 2 years, he may prove a great signing but at that price it would have to go down as a bit of a gamble for me.
The rest are really fill ins which we have been doing for years.
I can understand the CH bit with the wages at the club and Brown and JOS taking big money but only a year left, but then they extend JOS contract when he is already past it tbh.
Out transfer policy/s and extensive use of the loan system has got us in this mess and from the outside its seems like Carry On Regardless / Blindly only pausing to change the main protagonists once we are in deep shit.
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Not true actually..........they were trying to sort it a couple of hours before the deadline but the agent wouldn't budge on the £2 million he wanted as his share.........
 
dcl0sc said:
The squad does have quality though... Everything was fine until last Saturdays freak capitulation!
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No it wasn't fine at all.

We were poor against West Brom but salvaged a point;

We were on top against Man Utd and failed to capitalise on their very poor start;

We were beaten off a poor QPR side and struggled to create any real opportunities;

We miraculously drew with Spurs. Spurs were dominant throughout, it was daylight robbery really. Spurs on another day could have scored 4 or 5 plus;

We struggled at Burnley, two poor teams on show but earned a draw, could have nicked all 3 at the end though;

Drew with Swansea but should have won, couldn't finish the opportunities we had;

Stoke we deservedly won;

Southampton we were destroyed.

We've also been knocked out of the cup already.

We've been poor in front of goal and that has only helped to heap more pressure on the defence. As I said, we just don't have the quality. Wickham and Fletcher are not dangerous enough and our midfielders are not helping to support them with goals/creating chances.

Few, if any of our players take responsibility, they always seem to expect others to make things happen which they invariably don't.
 
shepherd88 said:
Aye remember posting at the time about it with ya. Funnily enough it was another poster from here, who told me a loan rather than a transfer fee like. Not too worry like, nowt came about it either way
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ha well i was told that he thought/was advised that Arsenal would be a better option.
Wonder why!?:lol:
 
gipetto said:
So you think our squad is good enough?

We are lacking serious quality. I said this throughout the summer. IIRC you disagreed and regularly had a go at me.
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This, we needed 4/5, what I would call, first XI players. It hasn't happened and now we are destined to be in yet another scrap to avoid relegation.

Problem is that a lot of people on here have a particular attachment to certain players. Take Larsson for example, good player, but we should have been looking at getting someone in to take his spot and have had Larsson on the bench, rather than current situation, lets play Larsson and have Cabral in reserve.

At the end of the day, you buy championship, you get championship and this is woefully evident in the case of Mr Gomez, Bridcutt and Buckley.
 
BS1000 said:
So a bit like QPR then?
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It was after they pulled out I think but the club did think they could sort it out but alas failed..........looking back though we really should have moved on long before that point to someone else........
 
gipetto said:
No it wasn't fine at all.

We were poor against West Brom but salvaged a point;

We were on top against Man Utd and failed to capitalise on their very poor start;

We were beaten off a poor QPR side and struggled to create any real opportunities;

We miraculously drew with Spurs. Spurs were dominant throughout, it was daylight robbery really. Spurs on another day could have scored 4 or 5 plus;

We struggled at Burnley, two poor teams on show but earned a draw, could have nicked all 3 at the end though;

Drew with Swansea but should have won, couldn't finish the opportunities we had;

Stoke we deservedly won;

Southampton we were destroyed.

We've also been knocked out of the cup already.

We've been poor in front of goal and that has only helped to heap more pressure on the defence. As I said, we just don't have the quality. Wickham and Fletcher are not dangerous enough and our midfielders are not helping to support them with goals/creating chances.

Few, if any of our players take responsibility, they always seem to expect others to make things happen which they invariably don't.
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So you're not happy then?
 
Lambchops said:
wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he got the bullet - I think he's clueless - there and thousands of fans pay good money to watch the lads every week and they can all see that where we need strengthening so why can't the management of the club? A cup run and a few results at the end of the season doesn't mask the fact that he has failed to move us forward at all. In fact from the performances this season we are going to be in a more desperate position than the Italian lunatic left us in
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Uh oh, we've gone full retard over here
 
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