Gus Poyet blames under-strength squad for Black Cats' struggles

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Guinness Guzzler said:
Yep, not sure whether its the same people being fickle or simply different people commenting this time but the fact is that the article was almost universally panned on here (with only a few of us, whilst agreeing that the timing of it wasnt great, defending some of the content) and yet now the main criticisms levelled in it are being repeated almost verbatim here.

Even when we had just won i thought it was valid, it is hard to really like poyet imo (others will disagree but whilst i dont dislike the bloke i certainly dont warm to him like i did to the vast majority of our previous managers of recent years). He does very quickly go into self-preservation mode, more so than many others imo, he does always seem like hes about to walk away as soon as things get tough and we all heard the reports that he had a clause in his contract so that he could walk away for free should he keep us up which, if true, is hardly the sign of someone who isnt consumed by self-interest.

He has a lot to prove. Im absolutely in favour of giving him time to do so and i do think hes done a decent job but its not been faultless by any means and he needs to take full responsibility for results rather than seek to hide behind the fact he doesnt fully control transfers. Last season we got a much needed miracle, this season he needs to prove that he can help us avoid needing the same again because, by their very nature, miracles dont keep happening. Over to you gus, starting saturday
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Think it's a fair enough post mate. I like the bloke but he annoys me quite a bit with the things he says if that makes sense. I think he's done well enough so far bar one or two horror shows but his recent comments are just not going to help at all.

He knew how our transfer set up was going to work and if he was unhappy with it he shouldn't have signed the contract. If he genuinely thinks promises have been broken then fair enough but it's more like sly little digs he comes out with
 


Coates injury record is a concern, and because of his injuries I have not seen enough of him to judge his ability as yet. However, one specialised right back/left back as senior players on our books, and having 3 defenders as senior pro's available for the 2nd half on Saturday is simply not good enough from the club.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
What was it that @Captain_Fishpaste said after Stoke? Oh aye, that Poyet isn't easy to like and that he quickly goes into self preservation mode when things go against him. Now, I agree that the timing of the article wasn't great (since we'd just won) but at least it avoids claims of knee-jerking, after the Southampton game I think we've seen exactly why people think like that. I don't dislike Poyet, but I can't really warm to him either and he is about as bad as bruce for passing the buck (albeit all managers do it to an extent). For the record I'm glad we've got him and we should give him time, but it is a shame to see this side of him come out again
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First win of the season and he calls the manager dislikeable in a mag propaganda rag. I wonder why people reacted.
 
GK said:
First win of the season and he calls the manager dislikeable in a mag propaganda rag. I wonder why people reacted.
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I think it was over the top and I'm not surprised people reacted the way they did but he did have a point although not one I fully agree with. The timing of it was bizarre like
 
Teejay said:
Everything he says is correct. He just shouldn't have said it so publicly or at least explicitly. I like him, despite Saturday I do think he has done a good job with a load of shite at his disposal and has certainly made progress since DiCanio left. In general(huge caveat!) we've at least become hard to beat. I lament that he was not given the funds Bruce was.
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He's diabolically poor, & to suggest we ended up with Bridcutt & Buckley even Scocco through Congerton is fanciful in the extreme.
 
I don't think there is any surprise that Poyet is a shitehawk, he wrote the book.

Still think he is a decent enough manager though and the squad of players at his disposal is more than adequate to finish 17th, if he can't manage that then it is little do with player recruitment and everything to do with his competence in this league.
 
Fooking hell Groundhog day again, every bloody season.

I think its the scouting and business model Short is trying to implement and it is just shite.

Every season we are buying players from the Championship, loan or short term deals for crocks or players over the hill, when we do spend we cock it all up and have players who have not lived up to the price tag, I think Bent is the only one who had been consistent in recent times and you could say money well spent.

You need a balance of young players or players from the Championship with quality players, Short seems to want to run the bargain basement gauntlet most of the time as the ££££ hit his pocket in the cash richest league in Europe he is a businessman and here to make money.

Scouting wise it seems just shit still, the Academy under performing still, show me the players from last season and this season who are being used?

The club preaches positive spin we have ambition everything long term long term, long term, get the right people in place and you can do it short term but Short cannot seem to manage this.

You can see in the way of signings contradicts the ambition the club is preaching and to be honest appears more penny pinching than anything and the blind leading the blind.
 
Hesfords Hero said:
Fooking hell Groundhog day again, every bloody season.

I think its the scouting and business model Short is trying to implement and it is just shite.

Every season we are buying players from the Championship, loan or short term deals for crocks or players over the hill, when we do spend we cock it all up and have players who have not lived up to the price tag, I think Bent is the only who had been consistent and you could say money well spent.

You need a balance of young players or players from the Championship with quality players, Short seems to want to run the bargain basement gauntlet most of the time as the ££££ hit his pocket in the cash richest league in Europe he is a businessman and here to make money.

Scouting wise it seems just shit still, the Academy under performing still, show me the players from last season and this season who are being used?

The club preaches positive spin we have ambition everything long term long term, long term, get the right people in place and you can do it short term but Short cannot seem to manage this.

You then from what you see in the way of signings contradicts the ambition the club is preaching and to be honest appears more penny pinching than anything.
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We have a load of expensive players and players with pedigree, far more than we have from the championship.
We have lost money pretty much every year since Short has come in to the tune of £150m so not sure how that tallies with making money.
 
Noggin said:
He's diabolically poor, & to suggest we ended up with Bridcutt & Buckley even Scocco through Congerton is fanciful in the extreme.
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Poyet made a rod for his own back by publically demanding the final say on all transfers. He now cannot abrogate the responsibility he has. I'd rather he said nothing than being contradictory as he seems to be every time his team loses its way.
 
SandDancer said:
Everyone knew last season there was a mammoth rebuilding task needed. So called bedwetters on here called it said we didn't do enough. Gus was too busy talking about Borini til the end of the transfer window and beyond. I find it hard he can push the blame elsewhere. If he didn't have such a man-crush on Borini we may actually have made more progress on actual transfers.
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Agreed.Equally however his buys have hardly done much.If Bridcutt is the level he is aiming at we aint got much hope.Not suggesting we give Gus the push but we all knew we were wowefully short of both numbers and more importantly quality before the season even started.
 
to be fair he is right

we have a squad that is a CB and probably another full back short, a creative CM, we never replaced Borini and we lack a quality CF

BUT he should not of came out and spoke about it
 
GK said:
That's purely semantics and the difference is tiny. It was a PR nightmare for the bloke.
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Its not really a tiny difference tbh, i find it hard to like poyet but in no way do i dislike him, hes fine, i just dont warm to him. Actively disliking him would suggest that youre likely to want him out of the club etc when, certainly in my case, i definitely want him to stay. Saying hes dislikable is more of an attack on the bloke with very little to base it on, being neutral about him isnt.

That being said i do agree with you about the timing of the article and the publication it appeared in, if i was writing for a mag rag like that id have pulled all the stops out to talk up the positives, criticising/ voicing concerns amongst our own is one thing but id rather not give them the satisfaction of reading it en-masse
 
The Cabbage said:
Disagree on Borini RG. Whether it was down to cash owing or not it could still be used. We either forgo the money from LFC or we collect it and use it somewhere else. That's just a matter of cashflow. Think it was @Maxie who said that we made a big offer late in the window for a striker. I'm fairly sure that there is money there. The problem is that Poyet is intransigent when it comes to player acquisition. He either knows them well or he's not that interested. As I said earlier I bet he was absolute murder for Congerton this summer.
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Just what i was told, but we made a big offer for a striker cum wide player late in window but he chose elsewhere.
Not sure if it is the money or not TBH. Was Borini all cash deal? Probs not.
Did we wait for Coates till after Borini? Probably.
Did we go after another forward after Bornin no go? Maybe.
Maybe we didnt go for both (if Borini was not all a cash deal) as we couldnt promise both games.

In the end we got neither.....or much defensive cover.
I think this window and its problems have beena collection of random factors that came togehter - one linked to another and having knock on affects.

All i know is that 'i was told' the bit about the forward bid and that the club are trying to run on as frugal/tight as possible, but are willing to spend big if a particular deal is very very 'right.'
 
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