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We've had people on here moaning like fuck when an offside decision is given against as it's shown the defender's boot lace was actually playing our attacker onside, yet now VAR could potentially correct those decisions and people will still moan like fuck :lol:

I do agree with it killing the spontaneous enjoyment of a goal for the match going fan as it will be shit thinking a goal has been scored only for it to be disallowed. However in the example above we'd get joy out of the goal when it would have been disappointment if left to on pitch officials. Surely the 'big' teams will lose out given some on here think the officials favour the big teams more and hate the likes of us.

I guess the Derby fans won't have been happy but I wonder what percentage of Southampton fans were moaning about VAR after the goal was disallowed? We know match day fans don't mean as much to clubs these days as they once did and VAR being brought in won't affect crowds that much but it's sad how little match day fans experience means. In 20 odds years time many fans at the match will be used to the delayed celebrations as they grew up with it.
 
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tunstallhill said:
love to have this answered ^^^^ anyone? we were told over and over that the VAR ref 'advises' or 'alerts' the ref, but the on pitch ref always has final decision. that is utter bollocks.
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The person who has continually said this has now seemingly decided to ignore this question, which speaks volumes.

Edit: reading on, the goalposts seem to have been shifted.
 
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AC Mack said:
The person who has continually said this has now seemingly decided to ignore this question, which speaks volumes.

Edit: reading on, the goalposts seem to have been shifted.
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If that’s at me, I have answered that exact point quoting that question

stephen cartwright said:
That how var works. It assists. The final decision rests with the onfield official.


Do you bet on horse racing?
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Here
 
stephen cartwright said:
If that’s at me, I have answered that exact point quoting that question


Here
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You have, but I quote as I go so hadn't got that far. I'd asked you a couple of times earlier this evening with no response.

As I said with my edit, you seem to be now shifting the goalposts. We've had this debate before where you were adamant the ref had the final say, but that's been shown not to be true in a number of instances in the past couple of weeks. I know I'm kind of repeating what @tunstallhill said earlier here.
 
AC Mack said:
You have, but I quote as I go so hadn't got that far. I'd asked you a couple of times earlier this evening with no response.

As I said with my edit, you seem to be now shifting the goalposts. We've had this debate before where you were adamant the ref had the final say, but that's been shown not to be true in a number of instances in the past couple of weeks. I know I'm kind of repeating what @tunstallhill said earlier here.
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Sorry but I’ve been inundated tonight about var :lol:, left, right and centre

The regulations with var use are clear. It’s an assistant to the onfield official. That’s the basic premise

The problems are occurring due to the total incompetence of the English officials using it

That’s the real problem, not var it’s how it’s to be used correctly

We are just playing our never ending rally in this var debate. Of course those who don’t like it are correct in what they are saying

However if and when the English officials begin to understand its use and following that our renowned experts in tv and written media, learn how it’s to be used, the problems will return

I’m all for it and won’t be swayed
 
stephen cartwright said:
Sorry but I’ve been inundated tonight about var :lol:, left, right and centre

The regulations with var use are clear. It’s an assistant to the onfield official. That’s the basic premise

The problems are occurring due to the total incompetence of the English officials using it

That’s the real problem, not var it’s how it’s to be used correctly

We are just playing our never ending rally in this var debate. Of course those who don’t like it are correct in what they are saying

However if and when the English officials begin to understand its use and following that are renowned experts in tv and written media, learn how it’s to be used, the problems will return

I’m all for it and won’t be swayed
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:lol: No worries. Must be hard trying to fly the flag against common sense ;)

I take you back to when we had this debate in another thread:

stephen cartwright said:
Did not cause chaos whatsoever

It’s a very straightforward system and var does not give a decision. It offers the referee to look again and then he either stays with his live decision, or chooses to change his decision

If people can get through their heads, it all becomes straightforward

The referee as it has been since football began, is the sole arbitrator


Wrong.

In premier league, the decisions will be seen on the big screen
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stephen cartwright said:
Then as it always been a gripe at the officials

It’s nowt to do with var

That’s the misunderstanding about var, creating incidents when it’s simply not used

Then when it is used, it’s down to the onfield official to either back himself or choose to change his mind

Var does not, or never has, given a decision. It’s down to the field official as it has since the 1880s onwards
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stephen cartwright said:
I keep saying it but nothing has changed. The onfield ref is the sole arbitrator and if he thinks his decision is correct there is nothing the VAR officials can do

I’ve been consistent on these basic facts but I’m have to explain what about if this happens time and again

Penalties, offsides, red and yellow card misidentified the player responsible

All other decisions are opinions decision, which can be decided by one man only

VAR says it itself. Video ASSISTANT referee
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For me, what's been happening with VAR contradicts what you were saying in these posts. That was my point then and nothing has changed.
 
AC Mack said:
:lol: No worries. Must be hard trying to fly the flag against common sense ;)

I take you back to when we had this debate in another thread:







For me, what's been happening with VAR contradicts what you were saying in these posts. That was my point then and nothing has changed.
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Neither has my point about clueless English officials not understanding vars use

Totally consistent all the way through of what var is to be used for and how

Until the clueless officials learn to use it correctly there is not a hope in hell of it being accepted

Var, video assistant referee. Not video makes the decision for the referee system

That’s the basic problem the clueless officials can’t grasp

By the way, it’s not down to me to justify var to the public

It’s the clowns of the FA and English referees association

All I’ve ever said on the subject is straight from the fifa guidelines for var use

You’ve never accepted that and until you do, this will go on forever
 
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stephen cartwright said:
Neither has my point about clueless English officials not understanding vars use

Totally consistent all the way through of what var is to be used for and how

Until the clueless officials learn to use it correctly there is not a hope in hell of it being accepted

Var, video assistant referee. Not video makes the decision for the referee system

That’s the basic problem the clueless officials can’t grasp

By the way, it’s not down to me to justify var to the public

It’s the clowns of the FA and English referees association

All I’ve ever said on the subject is straight from the fifa guidelines for var use

You’ve never accepted that and until you do, this will go on forever
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Or until I'm satisfied with VAR. So yes, perhaps forever ;)

I think @MackemX may have explained some of the points a bit more clearly on the last page (none of which address my biggest gripes), but I'll have to read the post properly at a more appropriate hour.
 
AC Mack said:
Or until I'm satisfied with VAR. So yes, perhaps forever ;)

I think @MackemX may have explained some of the points a bit more clearly on the last page (none of which address my biggest gripes), but I'll have to read the post properly at a more appropriate hour.
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:lol:
 
bernardbresslaw said:
Why can't they have GPS trackers in players vests?
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Nowhere near enough resolution for GPS. Several orders of magnitude short!

In any case, there’s various body parts involved in offside.

Just do away with offside when the play is within the box. If the origin of the pass is on the 18 yard line, benefit of doubt goes to the attacking team. More goals, more excitement! Offside was brought in to stop lobbing long balls up the pitch. No need for it within the box, IMO.
 
Daks said:
Southampton V Derby

Waghorn "apparently" ruled offside.
Looked like the Southampton players arm was keeping him on like

Seems like the wrong decision
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"Clear and obvious". They cant even follow their own guidelines, get ready for 1710 hr finishes.
 
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