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tunstallhill said:
clearly not, as even after 50 replays, loads on here, the commentators, and the pundits at half time said that it wasn't 100%, due to angles of the camera. unless the camera is at exactly 90 degrees to the last man, its impossible to say 100%
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Well, there you go then. It’s not going away, will only improve and I’m all for it.

I hear your perfectly valid points but that’s how things are going.
 

Voice of fair play said:
Problem is mate things do go wrong, and if people and fans just accepted that it would not be too much of a problem.

But they clearly don’t, apparently when mistakes are made refs are cheats, favour big clubs, love themselves, incompetent and I could go on and on.

They clearly need help that is obvious,
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Not with this decision though. Theyve just shown the goal on the news and not one Southampton player appeals for offside.
 
tunstallhill said:
also, what about that penalty decision? that was subjective but he didn't look at the replay. he held the corner back for 20 seconds whilst waiting to be told whether it was a foul or not.
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Because English officials are clueless on how it can be used. It’s a really simple tool but the officials are just scared to use it properly.
 
bernardbresslaw said:
How will it be obvious if I'm at the other end of the ground? Im in the SE corner and no-one round us had a clue what the Luton penalty was for, people were looking on twitter for an answer ffs.
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I see or not in this case. 99% of goals will be scored and nowt said.

Subjective decisions such as penalties will take time to resolve and has been the case in the past, the onfield ref will either stick with his original decision or choose to change his mind, when reviewing the incident

That’s how it was in the World Cup, the problem currently is the total incompetence of the English officials currently failing to use the system correctly

One other thing re kissing strangers, do you advocate doing this regularly?
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
They are. It's one of the protocols. If there's nothing untoward, the VAR ref simply does nothing. If he thinks he needs to look at something, he tells the onfield ref to delay the kickoff.
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That’s better explains my point in easy to read language

It still down to the onfield official no matter what.
 
I'm sure it can be implemented in some limited way which restricts it's potential impact on the game, but this certainly is not it.

f***ing 'soft checks' for the love of Christ. Just no.
 
stephen cartwright said:
I see or not in this case. 99% of goals will be scored and nowt said.

Subjective decisions such as penalties will take time to resolve and has been the case in the past, the onfield ref will either stick with his original decision or choose to change his mind, when reviewing the incident

That’s how it was in the World Cup, the problem currently is the total incompetence of the English officials currently failing to use the system correctly

One other thing re kissing strangers, do you advocate doing this regularly?
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As often as you can get away with it.
 
Turnip from the Tip said:
Bollocks. VAR was brought in to correct obvious mistakes missed by the officials.

There was no obvious error. It’s still unclear and even if he is fractionally off by a few mm’s you can’t be overturning that.

It’s a complete and utter farce
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Apparently they will as offside is to be treat differently I think as it's not down to someone's interpretation of what happened. This was said after Mata's disallowed goal for Man Utd against Huddersfield when his kneecap was just offside.

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Offside is an objective decision
This is a crucial point, and why those shouting that the incident was not "a clear and obvious error" are arguing over an irrelevance.

The "clear and obvious error" consideration within VAR will only be used for subjective decisions -- penalties, fouls, possible red cards. They are decisions which are open to interpretation, and they are also the calls that the VAR can ask the match referee to look at again on his pitchside monitor.

But offside is different. You are offside or you are not. It's a factual decision based on the position of, usually, two players on the pitch. The same goes for the ball going out of play, it is objective and will never be judged on being "a clear and obvious error."


Even though the VAR line was at the feet, they've still said the Southampton's player's shoulder (part of body a goal can be scored) wasn't enough to play the Derby player onside. If you draw extra lines on to get a better idea you can see it's still offside as the blue line is down from Southampton's player's shoulder to his foot to get an idea of where his shoulder is in comparison to the red line of the Derby player. It's a bit daft really overturning such close decisions but offside is offside and it's impossible for the on pitch officials to see stuff like this.

It's daft how it takes so long but I think in time they will get faster as it's still in its early days.

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MackemX said:
Apparently they will as offside is to be treat differently I think as it's not down to someone's interpretation of what happened. This was said after Mata's disallowed goal for Man Utd against Huddersfield when his kneecap was just offside.

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Offside is an objective decision
This is a crucial point, and why those shouting that the incident was not "a clear and obvious error" are arguing over an irrelevance.

The "clear and obvious error" consideration within VAR will only be used for subjective decisions -- penalties, fouls, possible red cards. They are decisions which are open to interpretation, and they are also the calls that the VAR can ask the match referee to look at again on his pitchside monitor.

But offside is different. You are offside or you are not. It's a factual decision based on the position of, usually, two players on the pitch. The same goes for the ball going out of play, it is objective and will never be judged on being "a clear and obvious error."


Even though the VAR line was at the feet, they've still said the Southampton's player's shoulder (part of body a goal can be scored) wasn't enough to play the Derby player onside. If you draw extra lines on to get a better idea you can see it's still offside as the blue line is down from Southampton's player's shoulder to his foot to get an idea of where his shoulder is in comparison to the red line of the Derby player. It's a bit daft really overturning such close decisions but offside is offside and it's impossible for the on pitch officials to see stuff like this.

It's daft how it takes so long but I think in time they will get faster as it's still in its early days.

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Exactly what I’ve been saying since June 2018
 
MackemX said:
People will catch up in time I suppose though some football dinosaurs may go extinct ;) :lol:
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It’s up to people and the bloody useless English officials to understand that’s what var is to be used for

It would also help if all the experts in the media read up and understood its use.
 
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